SEN. TRILLLANES LIVE: ICC, DDS, COUP, CYBERLIBEL
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by the time na available ulit sa you, Senator Trillanes.
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Obviously, of course, people want to hear about itong issue ng ICC, daming pag-usapan, West Philippine Sea.
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Ito si Senator Bam Aquino also just announced na...
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Go na siya for the Senate.
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But before natin pag-usapan lahat ng mga ito, CUDETA, DDS, BBM, all of that,
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eto, kakafine nyo lang ang cyber libel case against some of the influencers, if I can put it neutrally that way.
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Can you tell me a bit about the context of this decision, and why do you think it was necessary?
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Ang context nito is, if you would recall, a few or several weeks back,
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pumunta kong secret agreement ni Duterte, no?
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And ito sila ngayon, as part ng kanilang damage control measures,
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they started deflecting ulit yung issue na ako daw yung nagbenta ng Scarborough.
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Eh, ilang beses ko nang paulit-ulit na sinasabi yan.
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And they know that it is a lie.
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Tuloy-tuloy pa rin, at this time, we decided to push back.
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Na tigil na natin itong mga kalukohan na yan.
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Once and for all, kasuhan na yan sila.
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So lahat ng mga nagsabi nun, na binenta ko yung Scarborough, sila'y napasuhan.
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At, yun, every time they will say that again, that's another count of cyber libel.
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yung lawyers namin, eh, template na sila, eh.
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So we'll just keep on filing until tumigil sila, no?
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This time kasi, nung panahon ni Duterte, protectado sila, eh.
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Nobody would, walang case na magpo-progress under their watch, no?
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But, ngayon, hopefully, we'll have a fair shake under this administration.
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Very interesting.
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Very interesting.
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Kasi, I mean, obviously, the issue of cyber libel, medyo sensitive ito, especially sa mga oposisyon, mga civil society groups.
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Kasi ang pinakamalaking concern dito is, A, yung weaponization of cyber libel, and B, bakit criminalize siya.
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Some are saying, well, kung, ano ka, nag-suspect ka ng bad news, sorry, fake news, and you're besmirching someone, dapat civil case ito.
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First of all, what is your take on this debate about whether dapat meron cyber libel?
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Obviously, it looks like you're on the same page.
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But, whether this should be criminalized or more a civil case as we have in other democracies?
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I'm open to the decriminalizing of libel.
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But, as things stand, talagang ganun, eh.
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Kahit sabihin kong ayoko naman silang makukulong, gusto ko lang magtanda, but the law is the law as it is, no?
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So, hindi ko na hawak yun kung ano yung magiging sentence.
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Nung West later on, ganun lang talaga, no?
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But, ano eh, in this case, kasi paulit-ulit na eh.
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Remember, the past 12 years, I've been explaining to everyone, every forum,
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hanggang, ano na nga eh, masuya na, memorized na nung mga followers kung ano yung paliwana ko.
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But, eto pa rin, malicious eh.
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Kasi alam nilang si Duterte was exposed.
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Dahil China admitted na sila may secret agreement with them.
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Tapos sila Harry Roque and Duterte himself admitted as much na meron silang agreement na disadvantageous.
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Yung having an agreement per se is not necessarily bad kung advantageous sa interest natin,
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na protection ng interest natin.
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Pero in their case, talagang dehado-dehado.
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Hindi pinapag-repair yung BRP Sierra Madre.
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Tapos hindi pinigilan yung EEZ patrols ng Air Force and Navy.
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Ano yun? National security compromise yun.
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So in short, you're saying you're working with what's there even though you would have wished it otherwise.
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If I'm not missing, si Atom Arely, good friend.
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If mine, nag-sampas sila ng kaso against si I think Loren Baduy ba yun or something like that.
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But I think civil case yung sa kanya strictly.
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Again, I'm not familiar with the legal nitty-gritties of that.
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But I understand that there's some people who are sensitive about its weaponization.
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So they insist on a civil case.
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But anyway, thank you for clarifying where you stand on the issue of cyber libel.
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Being among the people na sobrang naharas nila digong in the craziest way back in the day.
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I think you have proven your credence.
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Now, balikan natin ng konti ito sa Scarborough.
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Just as a reminder, because I think a lot of people have hapyaw-hapyaw lang yung understanding nila dito sa nangyari sa Scarborough.
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In particular, your role in the backdoor negotiations or shuttle diplomacy.
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Can you refresh the memory of everyone else?
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Again, alam ko pagod na pagod ka na. Ako rin, in a sense.
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But we want to be fair just in case para mga ibang tao marinig nila ano talaga nangyari, Senator.
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Back in April of 2012,
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nagkaroon na ng impas dyan sa Scarborough Shoal wherein 80 to 100 ships ng China swarmed Scarborough Shoal both inside and outside the shoal.
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Ang barko natin at that time, opposing them or confronting them, tatlong Coast Guard vessels.
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And at that time, nagkaroon na ng impas.
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So the front channel, which is the DFA,
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hindi na ma-de-escalate yung situation.
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Nothing was moving forward.
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Kaya ngayon, nagpas siya si President Noynoy Aquino na mag-open ang back channel.
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Again, nagkaroon kasi ng negative connotation pag back channel negotiator.
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Parang it's something evil, something sinister.
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So, well, for the information of everyone,
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yung back channel negotiation is a foreign policy tool ng isang bansa
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to resolve a crisis that cannot be resolved by the formal or front channels.
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Yan yung DFA, yung mga true ambassadors, ganyan.
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Just to cite an example,
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yung Cuban Missile Crisis during the 1960s was resolved through back channel negotiations.
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si President John F. Kennedy sent yung kapatid niya, who was the Attorney General,
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as back channel negotiator to resolve the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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So, eventually, it was resolved.
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So, hindi po yan illegal.
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We saw that, sorry to interrupt.
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I mean, just to make it more timely,
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just recently, yung hidwaan sa gitang silangan, di ba?
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Yung Israel, Iran, gano'n.
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May back channel nangyari yan,
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because walang direct relationship ang mga bansa na yan.
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So, other intermediaries came in.
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So, this is perfectly normal in international affairs,
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kung medyo masaklab yung sitwasyon or taas yung tensions, no?
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So, gano'n kasi yun.
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Kaso, itong Duterte administration,
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dinemonize yung word na back channel negotiator.
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It's as if, ano na kaagad?
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Parang tridor na, no?
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Anyway, ganyan yung background niyan.
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Hindi yan illegal, hindi yan pasalanan.
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So, si President Aquino, to resolve that crisis, that impasse,
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appointed me as the back channel negotiator
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na dalawa ang mission
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to de-escalate the crisis
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and to reduce the number of ships inside and outside the shore.
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We started off with 8,200.
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I got in mga May of 2012.
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Tapos, mga late July,
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natapos yung negosyasyon.
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seven meetings yan.
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Seven meetings were conducted here.
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Seven meetings were conducted in China.
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Ngayon, kahit 100 meetings pa yan,
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for as long as ito'y ang pinag-uusapan nito,
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paano maresolvahan yung crisis.
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Kasi, iniintriga nila,
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bakit daw yung sinasabi ni Enrile na 16 trips, gano'n.
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E, negosyasyons nga eh.
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Pero hindi 16 trips.
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Seven meetings here.
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yung time na yun,
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gano'n na nga, no?
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Until eventually,
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the results will speak for themselves, no?
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From 8,200 ships,
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na-reduce ito to three.
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Pero nasa labas na ng shoal.
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Nasa labas na ng shoal.
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nung hindi nila pinaalis yung tatlong naiiwan,
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doon sila pinasuha ni President Aquino
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ng case sa Arbitral Tribunal,
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which we want, no?
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na-negate yung kanilang nine-dash line
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na ina-assert nila
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na basis for their claims
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dito sa West Philippine Sea.
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At I look at that as a mistake ng China
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because I am sure they didn't want that
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kasi every time gumagalaw sila,
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yun yung pinapamukas na nila
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para sila nagiging roadstick.
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gano'n yung ginawa natin, no?
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my mission was to de-escalate the situation.
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We were able to do that
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and to reduce the number of ships.
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we reduced it to three.
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So, we were able to protect
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the interest of the state.
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Tapos, wala rin reclamation dyan, no?
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ano kasi tayo, no?
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Hindi alam na iba yung Scarborough
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which is off the coast of Zambales,
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iba rin yung Spratlys na nandun doon sa Palawan area.
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So, yung Scarborough dito po sa Zambales area,
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wala pong base ang China dyan.
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Wala rin po sila sa loob dyan.
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si Commodore J. Tariella
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made a statement na
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nakakahirapan silang, ano,
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no, kinokonfront sila nung tatlong ships na yun
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we still claim it as our own.
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Kung binenta natin yan,
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kung binenta ko yan, kami ni Pinoy,
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mayroon ng reclamation dyan
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at dapat hindi sila umalis.
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Diba? It doesn't make sense.
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Gusto sa sabihin nyo sa inyo yan.
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But, yun, umalis.
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And besides, yung China,
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itong mga panahon na to,
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amin na yung Scarborough
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kasi binenta na yan
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O may secret agreement kami ni Pinoy,
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It was secret agreement
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once and for all,
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na-establish na yan
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at na-vindicate na ako dyan,
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na-clarify na yan.
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nag-attempt sila ulit
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i-revive yun sa akin,
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we started filing.
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We started filing.
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We started filing.
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We started collecting
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the evidence muna.
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We started filing.
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they can try again
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nasasalubong sa kanila.
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Thank you, Senator,
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for clarifying it
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kaya nga dapat sana
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nag-release ka na ng memoir
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or, you know what I'm saying,
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like some sort of book
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to set the record straight.
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Kasi yun ang problema,
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when medyo fuzzy yung canvas,
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everyone will be like,
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we project their imagination
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a lot of statesmen
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who have been involved
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in high-stakes diplomacy,
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they try to come up
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immediately with their version
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bago papasokan kung ano-ano
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So, just to be clear,
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what you're saying is,
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if your mission were
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a direct confrontation,
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So, you have a mission
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accomplished in that sense.
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with the President.
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There was transparency.
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There was accountability.
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which is completely different
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from the gentleman's agreement
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na hanggang ngayon
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very suspicious pa rin
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at mukhang national interest
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natin na compromise siya.
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So, what you're saying is,
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ng mga DDS na yan
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because medyo nabuking sila
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na they were caught
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with their fingers
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And, alam mo, Richard,
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kahit na in-explain ko na ito,
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to the same people,
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yan si Harry Roque,
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he was in one Senate hearing
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which I conducted,
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I think, sometime in 2013.
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Just to prove to them,
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isa siya doon sa mga nagkiklaim na iyon,
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tinanong ko lahat ng security officials
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in that Senate hearing
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and we have the records,
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we have the video of that.
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Now, did we lose Scarborough's soul?
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may mga nagkiklaim dito
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and Harry Roque was one of them.
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Ininvite ko siya doon
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para pakinggan niya.
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All the security officials said,
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no, we did not lose Scarborough.
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So, papano, sabi ko nga,
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who will say that we lost Scarborough
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is practically giving Scarborough to the Chinese.
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Because the status of Pitch is still unresolved.
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In a sense na hindi pa siya na-reclaim,
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hindi pa siya nilagay ng military facilities.
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Not even yung principle of
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yung Tetera Nullius na
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it's no man's land
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or kung sino nag-occupy.
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Nobody's occupying it right now.
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Kasi hindi pwedeng dabaan yan
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dahil typhoon sanctuary yan
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International Maritime Organization.
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Nandodon yan sa mga navigators,
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na if you're along that area
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tapos may nakonfront kang typhoon,
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you can seek shelter there.
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So, walang bumapasok dyan.
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Pero yung fishermen,
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sabi natin in my hearing
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that which I conducted noong 2013,
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again, one year after the
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the backchannel negotiations,
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talagang doon sa satellite imagery
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ando doon yung mga
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Filipino fishing boats.
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So, one year after
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my backchannel negotiations,
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ando doon yung mga manging sa loob.
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Kaya talagang I have...
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all the records going for me.
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memoir na sinasabi mo,
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nagpaalam ako yan
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kay President Aquino.
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Sabi ko i-declassify ko na.
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so that I can clear myself.
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Hindi pumahit si President Aquino.
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anyway, you're explaining
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kung mga general summary ng channel talks.
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Pero yung details nun, which is not much,
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hindi pwede kasi sabi niya ganoon sa international diplomacy,
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sa negotiations, hindi pwede kung ano yung mga ganoon details.
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But sabi niya kung magkakagandak ng investigation dyan,
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you can expose that sa executive session.
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Sabi ko di okay. Pero naggawa ako ng primer.
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The closest that I can give out, yun ang ginawa ko.
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Pero ano pa rin eh, it's never enough for these people kasi nga it was intentional.
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They need to deflect eh.
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Yung blame kay Duterte.
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I completely understand, Senator.
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Ang point ko lang is you want more people like yours truly on your side on this issue squarely.
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If we know the facts, it's easier for us to point it out as journalists, as academics, as scholars.
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Kasi ako bilang academic, marami ko nasulat sa mga West Philippines and South China Sea issue.
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But to be honest, this episode of Scarborough until now, until you clarified some of these things,
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medyo fuzzy pa rin until recently.
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They're still competing narratives.
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It's a lack of better time.
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Although the facts, obviously, we more or less know the general facts as president.
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I can clearly point that out.
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So thank you for clarifying because even yung aking co-conspirator, si Ronald Llamas,
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sabi niya na may pangako siya kay Pinoy na habang buhay pa si Pinoy,
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he has to be also a bit careful about some of the discussions.
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So siguro kaya ngayon, all over the place, ito si Ronald Llamas.
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So in your case, you also had to keep certain level of confidentiality.
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And also, siguro ethics lang yan, di ba?
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Some sort of understanding with the late 40s.
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Former president, God bless his soul, na you don't want to spill the beans too much.
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But unless you're forced by circumstances of legal investigation or something along those lines.
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I didn't know that, Senator.
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The last thing, I mean, I want to ask on this issue, before we transition to the other important issue also is,
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interestingly, naka-live na rin tayo on TikTok.
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Because I'm testing kung sinesensor tayo on West Philippines.
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Nauli sila ilang beses.
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May nagsabi na, so sir, ibig sabihin yan, up for grabs pa rin ng Scarborough Shoal?
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Technically speaking?
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Yung Scarborough, maliwanag yung ating claims dyan.
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Diniklare niyan, I was the principal author of the Philippine Baselines Law,
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the first internationally recognized law that asserts the claim of Scarborough.
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Pinasan na natin yan sa UNCLOS, yung Philippine Baselines Law.
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Diniklare natin ang Regime of Islands.
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Actually, my version of the Philippine Baselines Law was supposed to include Scarborough,
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sa Philippine Baselines.
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But, during the GMA Regime, through the influence of China,
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na-watered down siya.
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Yeah, natanggalan tayo ng 14,000 square kilometers ng EEZ because of that.
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So, na-compromise sila.
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But still, Regime of Islands diniklare natin, ating yan.
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Yun ang punto rito.
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Pero, kasi hindi mo naman,
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lalagyan ng base dyan.
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Kasi nga, ano yan eh,
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marine sanctuary yan eh.
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Ang dami endangered species doon,
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typhoon sanctuary din siya,
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I heard may nagpasa din daw sa inyo,
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a copy of my memoir na
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Yes, yes, exactly.
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That's why you can say I'm more sympathetic now.
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you would imagine me interjecting you more.
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Alam mo naman ang style ko, Senator.
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I want, kasi sensitive itong issue na ito.
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And I don't want this to come up as if we're pals.
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I mean, of course, we're friendly, but yun, I want to be fair.
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But, thanks for sharing me your version.
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So, medyo ano, it clarified some of the, you know,
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fuzziness, to be honest, around this issue.
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Kasi iba-iba yung version na narin niko.
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Not from the DDS side.
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You know, credible, you know, good people.
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Now, yes, yes, please, Senator.
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Ako naman, sabi ko nga, ang bottom line dito is hindi ko binenta yung interest ng bansa.
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We fought for it.
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Nilaban namin yan.
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Kahit na anong upo, ano, just to give you an idea, ito'y narireklamo kasi nila eh.
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Pagka daw kaharap nila yung China sa negotiating table, ang pambunga daw,
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first, we have the indisputable...
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Indisputables already.
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Indisputables already.
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Over Scarborough, ganyan.
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Ang ginagawa daw ng mga taga-DF eh, pag narinig daw nila na maalis na sila, sabi ko, eh ako,
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ang ginagawa ko, pagkasabi nila n'yon, I will say exactly the same thing.
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O ako naman sinasabi ko, okay, we also have an indisputable claim over Scarborough,
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but that's not why we are here.
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So para sa nag-claim?
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Nag-claim mo kami.
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Pero, sige, set that aside, punta tayo, i-de-escalate natin.
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That's how I negotiated.
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Hindi yung sasabihan ka lang ng ganito yung claim, aalis ka na kasi para na-insulto ka.
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Tingnan mo siya roon.
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Teka, aming din yan.
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We have clear historical and legal claim over Scarborough.
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So hindi ako maatras doon.
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Then saka namin pinag-uusapan.
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O alisin mo yung barko mo diyan.
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Mga ganun yung ginagawa.
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So in short, you're saying, Senator, our stance should be, say what you have to say and
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I'll say also what I have to say, then we can talk from there rather than we deny the
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fact that the other side has mumbo-jumbo claims.
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Let's just accept they're gonna make mumbo-jumbo claims anyway, right?
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Kaya nga sinasabi ko doon sa DFA nung time na yun.
23:04.1
Ba't kayo umalis?
23:05.1
Pagka nagsasalita sila daw ng ganun na ano na daw sila, na tipong wala na to.
23:11.1
Na-agitated sila.
23:12.1
Dapat titindigan mo sila.
23:15.1
And then after that, doon lang tayo mag-discuss kung paano.
23:19.1
At bottom line, sabi ko nga Richard, they left.
23:23.1
At the end of the day, they left.
23:26.1
Kung siga talaga kayo, sa inyo talaga yan, bakit kayo umalis?
23:30.1
Doon sa Scarborough ngayon.
23:34.1
Bakit kayo nagtayo ng isla dyan?
23:38.1
Diba kung sa inyo yan?
23:41.1
Again, to push back against that, again, I just have to be fair on this issue.
23:44.1
The argument would be, even under Digong's administration, this is Sec. Lorenzana saying,
23:49.1
redline yung Scarborough-Sol.
23:50.1
Kung ni-reclaim nyo yan, redline yan in the sense that masyado ito malapit sa Subic,
23:54.1
this is an affront to us, and the United States behind the scenes.
23:57.1
I mean, I know everyone goes back to the 2015 conversation between Xi Jinping and Obama
24:02.1
where Xi Jinping promised.
24:03.1
Xi Jinping promised na hindi siya mag-militarize ng mga islands and disputes.
24:07.1
So, everyone knows that nagsinungaling siya.
24:10.1
Except, on the Scarborough-Sol, it looks like maybe mahalaga din ng U.S. also made it clear.
24:15.1
We're not gonna accept any American reclamation of Scarborough-Sol.
24:19.1
What is your understanding of this?
24:22.1
The U.S. was never a participant in that negotiation.
24:27.1
So, ang tuwan dito, kung talagang siga sila,
24:31.1
at gagawin nila yun, at claim nila, bakit sila nasa altabas ng Sol?
24:40.1
That's a pretty basic question.
24:43.1
Bakit kayo nasa altabas? Bakit kayo wala doon sa loob?
24:46.1
Kasi, precisely, hindi sa inyo. Diba?
24:51.1
Yun ang pinakang bottom line doon.
24:55.1
At yun nga yung reclamation, eh kaya nga nilang kung saan-saan sila pumupunta eh.
24:59.1
What's stopping them?
25:02.1
Hindi eh. Kasi nga alam nila na ano sila doon.
25:08.1
Kung baga, malaki na yung tinindigan doon.
25:14.1
At nung time na yun, I can say na talagang we won in that back-channel negotiations.
25:20.1
Dito, dehado eh. Palugi. Iba yun. Diba? Bakit?
25:26.1
Kasi nga, maraming kinikita si Duterte.
25:30.1
Marami siyang ganansya sa China na tipong sige sa inyo na yan.
25:35.1
Basta dito ay kumita siya nang kumita ng gusto.
25:39.1
Speaking of mumbo-jumbo stuff happening under Digong,
25:44.1
I mean, I think itong hearing about Mayor Goh,
25:47.1
and then itong mga new exposes about mga fake Chinese hospitals, fake Chinese doctors,
25:52.1
mukhang lahat ng mga yan, legacy ito in one way or another.
25:55.1
At itong Mayor Goh na yan, parang, I don't know, I'm sure this is complete coincidence.
26:00.1
Malapit sa Clark Base yate itong Tarlac City.
26:03.1
I mean, pops out out of nowhere in 2022. Hindi nila mapakita yung birth certificate until 17.
26:09.1
Homeschool daw siya, hindi na masabi sino yung licensed teacher niya.
26:12.1
I mean, ang dami mga gaps in the story. Nothing suspicious here, right?
26:16.1
Nothing suspicious here, Senator.
26:18.1
Well, alam mo, pag hindi mo masabi kung saan ka, in fact, meron siya sinasabi mga addresses,
26:24.1
na talagang fake, no? Iba yung mga tao nakatira.
26:29.1
Tapos kaibigan pa ni Senator Cachal yan, yung isa, di ba?
26:33.1
Sabi niya, wait lang, kilala ko ito, mga kaibigan namin yan. Anong pinagsasabi mo na ganyan itong address?
26:38.1
And ano, dito makikita na ano ito, kooperative ito.
26:43.1
She is a trained operative. Naglang witch course lang ito.
26:47.1
Tapos binigyan siya ng cover story, binigyan siya ng packet na itong imememorize mo.
26:53.1
Pero hindi siya mag-withstand sa scrutiny just like what happened in the Senate.
26:58.1
It would be enough to stand siguro yung mga basic conversations.
27:03.1
Angka lumaki, angka ganon. Dito ako, Valenzuela, she can get away with that.
27:08.1
Pero yung dito na, sa scrutiny ganyan, nako, hindi umubre yung cover story na binigay sa kanila ng intelligence officers niya.
27:19.1
Kaya, ito ngayon, naka-ompromise.
27:21.1
Kaya, ito ngayon, naka-ompromise.
27:22.1
Tapos you mentioned that, meron pa diba yung mga Coast Guard Auxiliary na mga Chinese National Guard.
27:27.1
Isa ba? I mean, grabe! Shucks!
27:30.1
Hindi coincidence yan. It was, they really had a heyday nung panahon.
27:35.1
Infiltration galore.
27:37.1
Diba, pinasok na yung cell sites ng Dito Telco sa loob ng kampo eh.
27:43.1
Diba, kumbaga talagang, inano niya?
27:47.1
In-open niya yung...
27:50.1
The floodgate was opened.
27:56.1
The floodgates were opened willingly by Duterte para to accommodate yung China.
28:05.1
In exchange for what? Ako, I still believe in exchange for personal monetary gain. Yan yan.
28:13.1
What about the POGO angle?
28:15.1
The POGO angle because...
28:18.1
So essentially what you're saying is, influence operator ito pero second class kasi medyo sabog yung story.
28:25.1
Kasi if you're really a good agent, you're gonna come up with a better explanation for all of these missing documents and stories.
28:32.1
But what about the POGO angle? Do you think na nagkaroon ng cross-pollination ng influence agents and POGO business?
28:39.1
Considering officially the Chinese government is against online casinos.
28:43.1
For sure but I think hindi na kailangan nila ng cover as POGO.
28:49.1
Kasi ano nga eh, ginagawa nga ang Coast Guard Auxiliary nila Duterte eh.
28:54.1
Kumbaga hindi na nila kailangan magpanggap pa eh. They're out in the open.
28:58.1
Even as tourists, they can do whatever they want na maka-establish sila ng basis dito.
29:07.1
So pero yun nga, itong sa mayor ng Bamba na ito.
29:12.1
Ano to eh, talagang kinonfine ito siguro one year na mag-language course lang.
29:21.1
May kausap siya para yung accent mawala.
29:24.1
Tapos binigyan siya ng packet, binigyan siya ng cover story na ordinarily would have passed master kumbaga.
29:34.1
Eh dito sa Komelik nga, nakalusot nga siya. Nakalusot nga siya sa mga butahan dito sa Bamban eh.
29:42.1
Pero sa Senate inquiry kasi, hindi mo alam kung saan nga bibirahin ng angulo.
29:48.1
The fact na umaten siya, ibig sabihin confident siya eh sa cover story niya until nag-collapse.
29:54.1
Ito na ngayon, diba? Pero it's an eye-opener for us. Ilan pa ba yung ganyan na nakalusot?
30:01.1
Maybe we have to check a lot of mayors next to all the ETCA bases.
30:04.1
I mean, I hate to be paranoid about this but for all we know, tip of the iceberg lang ito.
30:13.1
In fact, yung Bamban, supposed to be part, isang area niyan is one of the targeted ETCA bases eh.
30:23.1
Yung Bamban mismo.
30:26.1
Kaya nga, oo, critical yun.
30:29.1
Tapos nakita natin yung concentration ng foreign Chinese students sa Kagayan.
30:37.1
Bakit doon, diba?
30:39.1
Pero to be fair, meron talaga mga...
30:41.1
Meron talaga mga legit na Chinese students na dito kumukuha ng course kasi nga punuan yung kanilang mga universities doon.
30:53.1
For a communist country.
30:54.1
For some reason, mahal yung pagpadala sa university sila.
30:59.1
Kaya dito sila nag...
31:00.1
Tsaka English language.
31:01.1
And English language.
31:02.1
Just like Koreans ang nandami sa amin sa Baguio before.
31:07.1
Kaya mayroon yung Korean word dito diba nung late 90s, early 2000 dito sa Pilipinas. Marami yan.
31:13.1
So ngayon may mga ganun din na Chinese.
31:16.1
But highly suspicious naman yung 5,000. May konting ano doon. Parang masyado nang disproportionate doon sa local students.
31:28.1
So anyway, yan yun. Maraming ginawa si Duterte na ngayon pa lang natin nandidiscover.
31:34.1
Kaya I hope and at least marami tayong nabigbalita na namumulat na lahat.
31:41.1
Pero itong absurd assertion na binenta ko is Scarborough talagang gain attraction to. Maraming talagang naniwala doon.
31:53.1
Ngayon, well enough is enough. Every time somebody says that, expect na nakakasuhan kayo.
32:04.1
Tama na. I mean, ginawang punching bag yung legacy mo. May nag-comment dito sa TikTok. Again, TikTok ang interesting.
32:10.1
Of course, interesting lahat. Sabi niya, baka ito yung tunay na backdoor. Hindi yung ginawa niyo. Ito yung backdoor na infiltration.
32:17.1
Yung ginawa ng mga... Diba? Like this is the suspicious backdoor, not the backdoor in diplomacy which is usually, you know, I mean, it's just part of the game.
32:28.1
Now, Senator, what do you think naman doon sa issue ng potential infiltration of...
32:34.1
the military and PNP by the pro-Duterte camp? I know, again, we have had these conversations for a while.
32:42.1
So ang tanong kayo is, why did you make this public now? Why do you think it's important na may sa publiko mo?
32:48.1
Is this your warning shots na don't even think about it? Is that what we're trying to do?
32:53.1
Let's just say na sinasabi ko yung mga hindi kayang sabihin nung mga nasa otoridad. Kasi...
33:03.1
Pagka kasi sila'y nagsabi, may greater reverberations eh. Whether sa local business sector or international community.
33:17.1
Pag umamin yung security sector na mayroong destabilization, teka muna, hold muna natin yung investment natin.
33:25.1
Kung maga may mga ganon. But, siyempre, for somebody like me, I can deliver the message.
33:31.1
Pero they can still say, siya na lang yan. Hindi yan part ng government.
33:37.1
Plausible deniability.
33:39.1
May plausible deniability. Pero, the same time, yun sa mga gumagalaw, may chilling effect yan.
33:45.1
Kasi ako may experience namin yan na nagre-recruit kami. Pagka may panahon ni Gloria, pagka may lumabas na, oy, may destabilization daw, ganito.
33:56.1
Ang instinct, maglaylo muna tayo.
33:59.1
Malamig muna. Kasi...
34:00.1
Sabihin, minomonitor. Yan. Ganon yun.
34:05.1
And what do you think na medyo, again, this is a very low level, but bakit mas gumana sa PNP kaysa sa AFP when it comes to potential attempts at destabilization?
34:18.1
I mean, this is a destabilization plot, right? I mean, this is what we're looking at.
34:23.1
Okay. Just to be clear. Ano to?
34:27.1
So compared to the population of the officer corps and the rank and file of PNP, ano lang ito, maliit lang ito, konti lang.
34:36.1
Pero ito kasing grupo na ito, ito yung Davao group na eh. Ito na yung part ng sindikato na ni Duterte. Ito yung mga na-implicate sa drug, sa EJK, sila-sila din eh.
34:49.1
Hindi, it's not as if they were able to get new people.
34:54.1
Whereas sa AFP, hindi naman nagkaroon ng Davao group dyan eh. Kasi may pushback eh.
35:03.1
Yung na-professionalize talaga yung promotion system. Kaya hindi naka-penetrate at all, to be sure.
35:14.1
Pero sa PNP, di ba, yun yung nahuli na ilan yun? 18 yung colonels and generals na huli sa drugs. Yan yung sindikato.
35:22.1
Part of the syndicate.
35:24.1
Yan yung tinayo ni Duterte. Kinultivate niya yun yung mafia culture. So ito ngayon yung mga remnants nun.
35:33.1
Remnants na lang ito kasi by and large sa PNP leadership, wala na sila dun. Na-expansed na sila dun.
35:39.1
So what you're saying is this is not a kind of a security service infiltration for coup per se.
35:46.1
This is really just underground mafia business coming in together and creating its own alignments there.
35:54.1
So loyalty. More personal loyalty kasi they benefited from Duterte. So nag-call in ang mga favors. So ito yan.
36:04.1
Pero na-identify na sila eh. One, dalawang general yan pero isa kaka-retire lang. Yan yun.
36:13.1
Tapos yung isa naka-assign sa Mindanao, minomonitor na siya. Yung galaw niyan, hindi na makagalaw yan halos. Kaya nga, di ba?
36:22.1
Kaya tama rin naman yung sinasabi ng PNP. Wala namang ganun. Kasi practically negligible yung numbers nila.
36:31.1
Na-identify. Tsaka even yung mga rank and file na dyan, hindi naman susunod dyan sa kanila eh.
36:37.1
They will not risk their careers, their pensions para kay Duterte. Di ba? Wala yun.
36:44.1
So your contention is overall coup-proof ang security services in that sense?
36:51.1
Yeah. So far. Kasi mabilis ito. We've witnessed yung EDSA 2 phenomenon. Si President ERAP was very popular sa rank and file.
37:05.1
Tsaka sa AFP leadership, compare na si late Angie Reyes. Kumbaga, he was very secure.
37:12.1
Then nagkaroon ng political crisis. They saw an opening na entice yung AFP leadership.
37:21.1
And in just a matter of days, nag-collapse yung House of Cards. So we're not ruling that out.
37:28.1
Kumbaga, while sa ngayon talagang firmly in place, pero they should not be complacent. Everybody should be on guard always.
37:39.1
Parang pang Netflix series. Speaking of Netflix series, bakit hindi mahuli-huli si Bantag and Kiboloy? What about Tevez?
37:49.1
Because I want to ask you about the ICC. Ang point ko is, eh kung mga ganito lang level, hindi mahuli-huli, what gives you optimism that we can move on the ICC front?
37:57.1
So first, bakit hindi mahuli-huli itong mga Kiboloy-Bantag? I think everyone knows na saan naman sila eh. Protectado ba sila ng ano? What's going on there?
38:05.1
Okay. Una-una si Mato Bato hindi rin naman nila nahuli. Di ba? Nung Mato Bato in Las Cañas. Nung panahon ni Duterte talagang pinahanap nito.
38:18.1
Ang daming tracking tips na sinet sa PNP to run after these people, pero hindi naman nila nahuli. So siguro, we're talking about competence here, di ba? Capacity.
38:31.1
Holes in the net. Yeah.
38:33.1
Oo. Ngayon dito naman, Kiboloy, Bantag, kung may dedicated tracking teams lang, mauhuli yan. Tapos maglagay ka lang ng reward system.
38:46.1
If you refer to the PNP, may mga kilala tayo, mga magagaling dyan mag-track. Pag tiisap, kaya nila yung habulin kung bibigyan talaga ng dedicated tracking teams.
39:00.1
It will be costly pero alabas yan. Or they can resort to what the Americans did kay Saddam Hussein. Maglagay ka ng exorbitant na reward money na po.
39:15.1
Yung bodyguard niyan mismo ang magmungusu dyan. And they will claim it. Ganon yun.
39:22.1
So you're saying medyo kulang pa ng kuwantin ng incentives. I mean, we're thinking some of these fugitives are used to luxurious life.
39:30.1
Tinanong natin si Justice Carpe, kasi he's from Davao. Sabi ko, sa tingin mo ba, parang ano ba ito? Diba yung mga ibang fugitive nakatago doon sa gitna.
39:37.1
Sabi mo, mukhang ito luxury ang... So it's not hard to find this. I'm sure may malaki siyang place with people around.
39:45.1
May daming mga vulnerability spots.
39:47.1
And yun na nga yung vulnerable point nila. Merong maglagay ka ng reward money, mabalitaan yan.
39:55.1
O merong, let's say, 10 million peso reward sa magbibigay ng information. That will lead to the arrest nitong mga ito.
40:04.1
Nako, isang magme-message dyan. Ipa-process nila, i-filter nila yung mga prank messages and mauhuli nila yan.
40:15.1
Tsaka itong mga ito, hindi yan nag-off the grid. So even through signal communications, makukuha nila yan.
40:25.1
And, Senator, now let's talk about the ICC one. I mean, I know for a while people were saying, ano lang, nagmamarites ka lang.
40:33.1
Marites tayo, in a way, because we have been talking about this since last year pa. Mukhang tumama tayo kay Delima that she'd be freed last year. Tama yan.
40:41.1
Yung investigation, papayagan. Tama naman.
40:44.1
Lalambot yung position ng government. Check ulit. I mean, obviously they're saying we may be okay with the warrants of arrest if they come in.
40:53.1
So, what gives you confidence June and July? I think my understanding is if you look at the timetable of ICC, dapat within the year.
41:01.1
I think everyone knows that. Everyone who's following yung procedures ng ICC despite the confidentiality.
41:06.1
But why do you think June and July, why that time, why before election?
41:11.1
Kasi the reason I'm asking is siguro medyo maging in-election.
41:14.1
ba yung impact kung warrants of arrest come out in
41:16.0
October, November, rather than June, July, right?
41:18.3
Kasi we're looking at also the midterm elections
41:20.2
and the impact it will have in terms of
41:21.9
election positioning and all. Kasi alam natin,
41:24.2
gagawin ng isang kampo, sabi nila, mga
41:28.1
Kabilang kampo, sabi nila, ay, mga ano to,
41:30.0
mga fugitive to, huwag kayong makipag-alliance
41:32.0
sa mga yan, di ba? Kukwestiyonin ba siguro yung
41:33.9
kandidasin nila. So,
41:36.3
I'm just looking at the timetable here
41:38.2
and interesting itong dynamic na to.
41:42.5
Well, we're just, well,
41:44.0
first of all, we're just dealing with
41:45.7
estimates here. We're not in
41:51.9
of the warrant of arrest because
41:54.0
only the pre-trial chamber
42:00.0
itong office of the
42:01.9
prosecutor, what they can do
42:04.0
is to file the application
42:07.9
historically, it's
42:11.3
after the application of the warrant,
42:14.0
bago nilalabas yung
42:15.9
warrant. So, you just
42:17.9
have to extrapolate.
42:19.7
Kaya, yun yung ano natin.
42:22.6
Hindi naman, ano yan,
42:25.3
estimate ito. Kung sasabihin
42:29.7
tapos biglang lumabas na
42:31.7
August, I don't think people will crucify
42:35.4
the target by a month.
42:37.9
I don't think so. I mean, look at yung kabila.
42:40.3
Ilang months na sinasabi nila, may
42:41.6
pulvoronic video sila. Go pa rin sila.
42:44.0
Hanggang ngayon. Sige lang, nagpahiring
42:46.2
pa, nagmarisensorya, no?
42:50.2
ang point nito, kung eventually
42:52.3
lalabas, pwede mo silang
42:54.0
sabihin, o meron sila, pero wala eh.
43:01.6
nung mga nakakausap natin
43:07.6
nag-pub na yan eh, from late May.
43:14.0
paurong na rin, paurong.
43:15.2
Anyway, hindi naman nila kontrolado.
43:17.1
They're just getting information.
43:19.2
If sinabi natin June or July,
43:23.2
pero lumabas ng August,
43:25.1
pala nga yung patatawarin po rin tayo
43:26.6
ng, ano na, hindi ma-retest.
43:28.9
Walang refund. Walang refund
43:32.6
Walang refund dun.
43:34.0
O, but remember, Richard,
43:38.2
tinatalang, bakit daw ako
43:40.2
pinapakinggan, ilalagban?
43:42.2
Sabi ko, precisely.
43:44.0
And I will only talk to you
43:46.4
kung hindi ka pa sunog,
43:47.8
kung hindi mo pa sila sinusunog.
43:49.7
And every time naman,
43:51.4
I'm giving them good information.
43:55.5
parang natutulog ka lang sa
43:58.2
bahay pag gising mo,
44:00.2
sabihin ko nga to, no.
44:01.9
We do the due diligence.
44:12.3
ng pag-collect ng information.
44:14.0
Meron din tayong process
44:15.8
na pag mag-validate
44:19.5
So we don't just, once we get information,
44:21.6
we get it out. No, we validate information.
44:28.1
Meaning, the source,
44:32.9
based on experience,
44:35.3
nagbibigay siya ng
44:37.0
reliable information.
44:39.7
Because the information itself
44:44.0
Most likely true.
44:45.2
So ganoon yung intelligence classification.
44:46.8
Basta hindi galing ito kay Agent Morales, no?
44:51.1
Grabe yung back and forth nila ni Jinggoy, ha?
44:53.8
Basta ako hindi convicted, eh.
44:57.7
Talagang sabi ko, I mean,
44:59.6
is this the worst Senate?
45:01.3
I mean, this is crazy
45:03.8
what's happening in the Senate.
45:05.4
Yung isa convicted, yung isa, no?
45:08.2
Pero, ang pinakang ano kasi dito
45:13.6
yung hearing itself.
45:15.4
Why was there a hearing to begin with?
45:18.1
Na, inasabi ko nga,
45:21.9
may parang national emergency.
45:25.3
crisis situation na kailangan i-hear mo na
45:27.7
kasi yung regular process
45:29.8
might take time at
45:31.1
baka magkakaroon ng
45:32.5
mabigit na damage sa lipunan.
45:38.5
Bakit hindi dinaaninibato
45:40.6
sa regular, ano to,
45:46.1
yung vet mo yung witness mo,
45:49.5
i-check mo yung documents mo,
45:51.3
tignan mo ano ba to,
45:52.3
sa patuahan tong...
45:53.9
Then you file the resolution.
45:56.0
Then once you file the resolution,
45:58.5
you respect the decision
46:00.3
of the Senate leadership
46:01.3
kung saan dadaling yan.
46:03.0
It doesn't have to be your committee.
46:06.0
Ito, presidente yung involved.
46:07.7
Pwedeng pag-aralan muna
46:09.9
ng rules committee yan.
46:11.0
Tega muna, ano ba ito?
46:13.9
because we're putting
46:14.7
the president here
46:19.4
kasi ang allegation mo
46:21.0
na gumagamit siya
46:27.3
yung cut-off natin?
46:30.9
fentanyl addict siya,
46:33.8
Wait, as we speak,
46:35.1
si Maharlika meron siyang
46:36.2
drug test challenge
46:37.4
vlog live ngayon.
46:40.1
I mean, these guys,
46:41.6
they just keep on
46:43.1
coming up with the news.
46:44.2
But, what do you think
46:47.0
next to Manny Pacquiao sigo?
46:49.6
sumasagot na, diba?
46:50.6
Kasi yun ang concern ko sa kanya
46:51.8
yung sinasabing kuting siya
46:52.9
hindi siya tigre.
46:54.6
ito, professional liar yan,
46:57.9
bibigyan mo ng kahit ano,
47:00.9
we need to see more of that
47:03.0
He has to show also
47:04.4
I mean, it cannot be
47:05.9
including his wife
47:07.7
He has to fight for himself.
47:13.2
itong hearing ni Bato,
47:16.3
that was the red line.
47:18.0
Parang sobra na yan.
47:21.1
It was an affront
47:24.8
committee chairman ka,
47:28.4
pinalusot mo yang...
47:33.6
Very late ko eh, no?
47:34.7
In one of my interviews.
47:38.3
itong karakter na yung
47:42.5
Yes, naalala ko yan.
47:44.3
Terepresent sa amin yan.
47:47.6
Ilang vetting yun,
47:49.4
ilang interrogation
47:51.3
hindi siya makapasa-pasa eh.
47:53.4
Kaya nga hindi ko nilabas
47:56.6
Hindi ko nilabas.
48:01.3
Sinabit ko yung mga dokumento,
48:07.3
nakuha ko naman na
48:08.5
iba yung sa bank accounts
48:12.1
kurakot si Duterte.
48:15.2
Na-validate ng ombudsman.
48:18.1
wina-whitewash nila
48:19.1
nung time na yun.
48:33.5
i-hearing mo kagad.
48:37.4
Gwen, will you stop?
48:43.1
communications plan
48:54.3
committee hearing
48:57.5
siya yung mag-a-agitate
49:02.3
Tapos pa-impeach siya
49:07.3
and that is supposed to
49:11.7
Deed to an outrage
49:13.2
of the general public
49:14.9
which would lead to
49:16.5
the AFP leadership
49:18.2
withdrawing support.
49:20.4
simpleng ano nila eh.
49:24.2
Eh, yung problema hindi
49:26.6
Hindi ko mag-alala.
49:28.6
naging joke time.
49:31.9
Ang problema ni Morales,
49:34.5
nung tinanong siya,
49:35.3
sino ba yung confidential agent mo eh?
49:37.1
Hindi raw niya maalala.
49:39.1
May problema tayo daw.
49:43.2
speaking of this,
49:44.9
I don't wanna put you on the spot
49:47.6
the administration
49:53.0
or will weaponize it
49:56.1
should the warrants of arrest come
49:58.0
in the coming months?
49:59.0
I don't wanna put you on the spot
50:01.0
what is your prognostication here?
50:02.7
What factors will lead Marcos
50:06.5
the warrants of arrest
50:09.4
and nakalutang lang
50:10.3
and then he will,
50:11.9
dribble around it?
50:13.9
Ako ang tingin ko nga,
50:15.9
he doesn't even need to,
50:17.9
to decide or act eh.
50:19.9
Kasi kung padadaanin ito sa
50:22.9
may international agreement
50:25.9
Pagkalungo ba siya
50:26.9
sa National Central Bureau sa PNP,
50:28.9
yung pangalan ni Duterte
50:30.9
na a-arresto rin,
50:32.9
they are supposed to act
50:35.9
Hindi na kailangan didiktahan sila
50:37.9
ni BBM na huliin niya.
50:42.9
Kasi they're supposed to do
50:46.9
kung naman magpa-file ng
50:52.9
yung mga lawyers ni Duterte
50:54.9
which I am inclined to
50:57.9
that they will do,
50:59.9
di mahohold ngayon,
51:00.9
hindi gagalaw yung
51:02.9
not on the say-so of
51:04.9
President Marcos,
51:07.9
the say-so of the Supreme Court.
51:11.9
pag sinabi naman nung
51:14.9
din ng kanilang deliberations na
51:16.9
meron silang basis,
51:19.9
may jurisdiction,
51:22.9
hindi ito yung ICC
51:23.9
kasi yung Interpol ang
51:25.9
mag-ano sa atin eh.
51:28.9
pagka-cleaner yung way,
51:30.9
Supreme Court din ang nagsabi.
51:32.9
So don't just stand in the way.
51:34.9
You don't have to do anything.
51:35.9
You don't have to lift your finger.
51:36.9
Just don't use your finger
51:38.9
Parang ganun yung sinasabi mo.
51:39.9
And just to be clear,
51:40.9
the Supreme Court,
51:41.9
sinabi niya may residual jurisdiction.
51:43.9
Even if lumabas tayo from ICC,
51:45.9
applicable pa rin yung jurisdiction nila.
51:47.9
Kaya hindi ko maintindihan yung sinasabi ni BBM
51:48.9
na walang jurisdiction ng ICC sa sarili natin,
51:51.9
unanimous on this issue.
51:56.9
the elements are aligned.
51:59.9
I think ang sinasabi niya,
52:01.9
walang jurisdiction ngayon,
52:03.9
Which is accurate,
52:04.9
pero maliwanag sa Supreme Court.
52:06.9
I see what you're saying.
52:08.9
I see what you're saying.
52:10.9
it's a play of context eh.
52:15.9
even if nag-decide na yung Supreme Court,
52:17.9
magpa-file pa rin yan sila ng petition for TRO
52:20.9
because they need to,
52:22.9
to stop the PNP arresting teams
52:26.9
from enforcing the warrant.
52:30.9
Pagka after ng deliberation,
52:33.9
wala talagang may basis eh.
52:36.9
ililift na yung TRO.
52:37.9
Meron ng decision,
52:40.9
that the PNP can arrest Duterte.
52:44.9
meron tayo ng batas,
52:46.9
yung Republic Act 9851.
52:48.9
Ito yung law that defined the crime
52:52.9
of crimes against humanity,
52:56.9
At nakalagay doon sa jurisdiction mismo.
52:59.9
they can google this.
53:01.9
the Philippine authorities may surrender
53:04.9
a person who is accused
53:06.9
of crimes against humanity
53:08.9
by an international criminal court.
53:13.9
you cannot be more specific than that.
53:16.9
Pwede natin i-turn over.
53:18.9
So all the elements are there.
53:23.9
which was never declared unconstitutional.
53:29.9
They can use that as a basis actually.
53:31.9
And I believe it's part of the legal brief
53:33.9
that DOJ has submitted.
53:35.9
I believe it's part of the legal brief
53:37.9
that DOJ has submitted to the President.
53:40.9
we're going to the last part of this episode.
53:41.9
I want to talk a little bit about the opposition.
53:43.9
But just before that,
53:44.9
isingit ko lang ito.
53:47.9
Bato could be facing a warrant of arrest.
53:50.9
he has an interest
53:53.9
pulvoronic marites hearing, right?
53:57.9
let's just save it for what it is, right?
54:01.9
Meron silang interest.
54:04.9
survival mode sila.
54:06.9
They have to do this
54:13.9
mag-upo si Sarah.
54:25.9
The stars are aligning.
54:27.9
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:30.9
So, you think itong mga
54:32.9
people power hanash nila,
54:35.9
just Harry Roque, right?
54:37.9
one day against Nigong,
54:38.9
then the spokesman,
54:41.9
wala akong nahanap na kaso sa Marcos.
54:46.9
after six days nila,
54:47.9
babastusin ng ETSA,
54:50.9
So, you think ano lang yan?
54:51.9
Desperate ano lang yan?
54:52.9
Mga hanash lang nila yan?
54:54.9
wala na silang way eh.
54:56.9
ang balita namin,
55:00.9
they need to clear it eh.
55:03.9
para clear nila eh.
55:06.9
somebody's earning
55:09.9
20,000 yung minobilize namin
55:11.9
and we spend this much.
55:13.9
lugbas lang pala,
55:28.9
yung mga rallies na yan.
55:29.9
Multi-fotos yan eh.
55:30.9
Pwede dyan na yan
55:32.9
test run ng mobilization.
55:40.9
Pampainit ng ano,
55:42.9
the ball rolling.
55:47.9
ang problema nila is,
55:50.9
people are not flocking
55:52.9
Wala siyang traction.
55:54.9
Para siyang ganyan,
55:58.9
baka may dumikit,
56:03.9
Parang ang yung EDSA 12.
56:04.9
Kaya nga sabi ko,
56:05.9
you cannot be complacent.
56:10.9
Walang room for complacency.
56:13.9
no room for complacency,
56:17.9
a member of the Aquino family
56:21.9
we're talking about
56:24.9
di ba, sa Senado.
56:25.9
What is your understanding
56:32.9
naging opposition
56:33.9
dahil hindi nagkaroon
56:34.9
ng posisyon, right?
56:37.9
yung totoong opposition,
56:39.9
What is your understanding
56:40.9
of what is the state of play?
56:42.9
galit sila sa atin dalawa
56:44.9
dahil ang dami daw natin
56:51.9
magagalit sa atin.
57:04.9
papano sila papasok?
57:07.9
i-ex-senate dito?
57:20.9
brand of campaigning.
57:21.9
Mas extensive din
57:23.9
local network niya.
57:32.9
manalo na eleksyon.
57:39.9
he's inching closer
57:48.9
the independent opposition
57:49.9
kasi ang mag-aagawa
57:57.9
squeeze in there.
58:13.9
Is there a winning
58:15.9
strategic ambiguity
58:16.9
that has yet to be
58:29.9
tatrabaho yan sila
58:33.9
They're doing their homework.
58:34.9
We'll see later on.
58:35.9
What kind of noise
58:36.9
should they make?
58:38.9
I mean it in a positive way.
58:41.9
radio show, diba?
58:42.9
Kung saan pinag-usapan nila
58:44.9
pangailangan ng bayan.
58:45.9
Ito si Pangilina,
58:49.9
there's some move there.
58:50.9
Bama Kino has been doing
58:51.9
a lot of interesting
58:53.9
yung mga ganyan type
58:56.9
Medya is working on the
58:57.9
social media front.
58:59.9
the reason I'm saying this
59:00.9
is the President,
59:02.9
is moving in the direction
59:03.9
of what we were discussing
59:04.9
a few months ago.
59:05.9
Itong grand coalition
59:11.9
is hindi kasamang
59:14.9
grand coalition ni Marco.
59:16.9
that tells you a lot.
59:17.9
But the big question
59:19.9
will the Liberal Party
59:21.9
of the Liberal opposition
59:22.9
have some sort of informal
59:23.9
if not formal coalition
59:28.9
at least for one side
59:29.9
more than the other?
59:39.9
and the yellow ranks.
59:40.9
May mga purists d'ya na,
59:49.9
yun ngayon ang mga,
60:15.9
they will continue
60:26.9
Yun lang naman yun.
60:27.9
If you're running
60:29.9
or you're running
60:34.9
particular sector.
60:42.9
that I don't have
60:43.9
that dilemma anymore.
60:44.9
We'll talk about that
60:47.9
we wrap up this episode
60:48.9
na slightly longer
60:50.9
But I just wanna say,
60:52.9
sa iyong palagay,
60:54.9
of the rise of Tulfos,
60:58.9
what is the messaging
60:59.9
ideological space
61:04.9
Kasi parang gusto
61:06.9
Gusto ng tao yung
61:07.9
mukhang decisive.
61:09.9
mukha kasi maraming
61:10.9
performative dyan na
61:21.9
sasabihin natin 2025
61:23.9
masyadong maipit,
61:26.9
you have to lay down
61:28.9
Hindi yung mga last minute
61:29.9
na naman na biglang tatakbo
61:33.9
doon muna sa basic.
61:34.9
Kasi yung messaging,
61:36.9
yan yung next level.
61:38.9
ang problema muna
61:42.9
opposition candidates,
61:48.9
kailangan muna ulit
61:59.9
if they don't know you,
62:05.9
how can they vote for you?
62:06.9
So, they have to know
62:09.9
iba na yung terrain eh.
62:11.9
significant chunk
62:13.9
voting population
62:17.9
about the existence
62:23.9
sino si Trillanes.
62:24.9
Wala na sa radar nila,
62:27.9
Kasi wala na doon sa
62:29.9
Hindi po mapasok sa mundo
62:32.9
yun ang challenge.
62:38.9
communication channels.
62:41.9
ma-feature ka na.
62:44.9
of the population.
62:50.9
TV viewing public
62:52.9
nang na-disintegrate.
62:53.9
Disintegrated na.
62:57.9
o paano ngayon yan?
63:01.9
Pero they need to get their
63:05.9
before coming out
63:11.9
yung message nila
63:12.9
hindi ko rin nga alam.
63:16.9
What are they fighting for?
63:18.9
What do they stand for?
63:21.9
Yun ang problema.
63:23.9
just to wrap it up,
63:25.9
it looks like LGU
63:26.9
is the direction of the wind
63:29.9
even Lenny may be thinking about
63:31.9
or something like that.
63:34.9
progressive opposition
63:36.9
May bagong party ka daw?
63:38.9
nagkakaisang Pilipino?
63:41.9
Is the LGU level,
63:44.9
working together,
63:45.9
is this the future
63:47.9
that's the direction
63:56.9
and Atty. Cheldokno,
64:01.9
palagay ko incidental lang ito
64:04.9
some of us are running
64:09.9
talking about 1,500
64:11.9
cities and municipalities,
64:13.9
hindi talaga siya ano,
64:18.9
sa local executive,
64:21.9
it's a full-time job.
64:25.9
would overwhelm you.
64:27.9
Stare you in the face,
64:29.9
Would consume you na
64:30.9
kitong ito na iyon eh.
64:32.9
Mabibitawan mo yung
64:40.9
yun ang kailangan,
64:43.9
yun, yung Caloocan,
64:44.9
siya yung pinakamaraming mahirap
64:46.9
sa buong Pilipinas.
64:48.9
Tsaka yung EJK cases,
64:50.9
Diba, anong time ni Nick Ong?
64:52.9
Ito yung number one.
64:54.9
napag-iwanan na talaga siya.
64:58.9
on a personal level,
65:00.9
do you think an executive
65:03.9
will also make you
65:05.9
and person for that matter?
65:06.9
I mean, having already served
65:08.9
having served in the Senate,
65:10.9
is this also a new layer
65:12.9
you're trying to explore
65:13.9
and nurture in yourself?
65:18.9
I think this is going back
65:26.9
the leadership training
65:27.9
that I got sa PMA,
65:29.9
the educational background
65:35.9
sa iba't ibang graduates.
65:37.9
Kumbaga, ito yun,
65:39.9
More than being a legislator,
65:41.9
I think this is it.
65:43.9
We're more tailor-fitted
65:45.9
for this kind of work
65:47.9
than even as a legislator.
65:51.9
fish out of the water ako eh.
65:59.9
to accomplish the missions
66:04.9
sa executive level,
66:06.9
executive branch,
66:12.9
thank you very much
66:14.9
I want to talk to you
66:15.9
about a lot of issues
66:16.9
including itong TikTok ko,
66:17.9
biglang nag-overheat yung phone ko eh.
66:18.9
Nothing suspicious here, right?
66:20.9
Pinag-usapan lang naman natin
66:21.9
ang China and West Philippines eh.
66:23.9
Never sa any of my life
66:24.9
nag-overheat biglang yung phone ko.
66:25.9
So, this is really weird.
66:27.9
I'm sure it's just coincidental.
66:30.9
even if maging mayor
66:32.9
sa Trillianes ka,
66:33.9
you will still talk to us.
66:37.9
We talk about New York.
66:40.9
Sana, sana, Sen. eh.
66:42.9
Hindi ka mawala sa national.
66:45.9
marami tayong mga kaibigan ng mayors.
66:46.9
Talaga, sobrang busy sila eh.
66:49.9
yung mga issue ng pipes,
66:53.9
But, we hope we can still pick your mind.
66:56.9
But, long way until then.
66:58.9
So, hopefully we can catch up
66:59.9
before elections start.
67:00.9
Matagal pa, matagal pa.
67:02.9
Marami mga ka-e-pitch yan.
67:03.9
And then, the next few months,
67:04.9
talagang medyo, ano yan,
67:09.9
You're living in very interesting times.
67:12.9
Hopefully, this side works in the other way.
67:14.9
Kasi the interesting time last time
67:17.9
Ewan, medyo mawzedong
67:19.9
Interesting times.
67:20.9
Salamat, Sonny Trillanes.
67:23.9
Thank you very much.
67:24.9
Let's continue this conversation.
67:34.9
Biglang nawala yung TikTok ko.
67:35.9
Biglang overheat naman daw yung phone ko.
67:36.9
I'm telling you, guys.
67:37.9
Ang dami mga weird na nangyari sa TikTok ko.
67:38.9
May times na inactive daw ako.
67:40.9
Wala akong ginagawa.
67:43.9
Paano na tayo naging inactive?
67:44.9
Ang daming comments.
67:46.9
biglang nag-overheat yung phone ko.
67:47.9
Like, that never happened, guys.
67:48.9
This is suspicious.
67:49.9
Siguro papare-research ko kung pwede mo i-overheat ang phone ng hardware ng isang tao
67:54.9
if you don't like what they're doing live.
67:56.9
So, on that note, thank you very much mga kameta.
67:58.9
I hope you enjoyed itong latest conversation natin with Sen. Trillanes.
68:02.9
I'll try to upload it soon.
68:04.9
Just in case hindi kayo familiar,
68:06.9
hindi ito yung final version, alright?
68:08.9
Ito yung parang audio backdoor version,
68:11.9
if I can put it that way.
68:12.9
Upload po natin yung full version.
68:15.9
Medyo mas matidong production natin.
68:18.9
Hindi kasing level ng mga kapilang channels
68:21.9
pero at least medyo basic lagay natin.
68:23.9
And then, obviously, we'll also try to upload the highlights.
68:26.9
The same thing also dun sa mga ibang interviews natin with Ronald Llamas.
68:31.9
Some of them are coming out
68:32.9
but we hope to update you with the...
68:34.9
Upload the full version.
68:36.9
Hopefully, singhit ko yun habang I'm doing everything else and on the move.
68:38.9
On that note, thank you very much.
68:40.9
Maraming salamat sa mga kameta,
68:41.9
sa lahat ng mga nagfo-follow sa atin sa iba't ibang platforms.
68:44.9
Sorry kung parang pinapansin ko yung mga sa TikTok.
68:47.9
It's because purong West Philippines yung issues.
68:49.9
I was a bit conscious about whether something funny is gonna happen to my TikTok channel.
68:53.9
On that note, thank you very much.
68:54.9
God bless and talk to you soon.
68:55.9
Please, subscribe. Libro lang mag-subscribe.
68:58.9
We need to hit that 100k soon.
69:00.9
Hopefully, God willing, sa YouTube para ma-verify na natin
69:03.9
at para lang yung legit na tayo.
69:04.9
And also, of course, on different platforms,
69:06.9
just continue to subscribe and support us.
69:08.9
Also sa podcast natin, Apple Podcast.
69:10.9
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69:14.9
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69:16.9
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