00:31.7
we look at the picture in the West Philippine Sea,
00:34.3
anong mga kailangan natin gawin,
00:35.5
anong pwede natin maasahan sa mga kapitbahay natin.
00:38.7
Pero ang tanong kasi dito is,
00:40.2
sobrang unstable tayo domestically, di ba?
00:42.1
You need a whole of nation approach, di ba?
00:44.1
Yun ang term na I keep on hearing right now
00:46.1
from government officials, which is a good thing
00:48.1
because that's what we really need.
00:49.7
We need a whole of nation approach.
00:50.8
But we have a crazy situation, di ba?
00:53.0
Hindi lang away ng mga Duterta at saka mga Marcoses.
00:55.7
Ba't yung mga pro-Duterta,
00:56.8
Duterte people ay nag-away ngayon.
00:58.5
Yung si Maharlika ay nag-away si Bato de la Rosa.
01:01.4
And then more worryingly,
01:03.2
may nakikita na tayo mga inklings of influence operations.
01:08.1
I mean, may nakita tayo na,
01:09.9
I think ang tawag dyan technically is cheap fake.
01:12.8
Kasing deep fake, medyo ginagastusan eh.
01:15.0
Yung nakita natin, cheap fake.
01:16.9
Kung saan sinisimulate si Bongbong Marcos
01:19.9
na kunyari he's doing something aggressive against China, etc.
01:22.9
So we already have an inkling of the direction of the wind, di ba?
01:26.2
Kung ganyan mo, alam mo na papunta saan.
01:29.0
Can we talk about this?
01:29.9
How worried are you, Justice Carpi,
01:31.6
about the prospect of destabilization?
01:34.6
Let's use the term that they used to use against us for six years.
01:38.0
Do you think there's a destabilization plot really
01:40.3
ongoing or that could intensify further
01:43.5
and potentially backed by a foreign power?
01:46.2
To put it nicely,
01:47.8
sige, para may caveat tayo,
01:49.0
di umanoy backed up by a foreign power?
01:52.5
Well, it's very possible
01:54.1
because these people could be desperate already.
01:56.2
And these people have the moral scruples.
02:03.0
I mean, they will go for assassination.
02:07.3
But can they pull it off?
02:10.6
I think the president is well protected.
02:14.5
And they always give hints.
02:17.2
First, they demand the president should step down, should resign.
02:21.4
And you know, if he resigns, you know who will take over, sila.
02:26.2
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know their direction.
02:31.6
And if they are cornered because they could be sent to the Hague,
02:37.1
they just might do something foolish.
02:39.7
But I don't think they can pull it off.
02:42.5
It will be a desperate move.
02:45.2
I don't think they will succeed.
02:48.4
I know how well protected the president is with the PSG
02:52.0
and the AFP is solidly behind the commander-in-chief.
02:56.2
They are so indoctrinated with the doctrine of the commander-in-chief.
03:01.7
And their loyalty to the constitution is beyond doubt.
03:05.5
So, I doubt that if it can be anybody who tries to do any destabilization will succeed.
03:14.0
But they will try.
03:15.4
It's possible they will try if they are cornered.
03:18.4
I think a cornered beast is sometimes a bit dangerous, right?
03:21.9
To put it mildly.
03:22.8
And for me, of course,
03:24.9
you have to always err on the side of,
03:26.2
I mean, we are a heartbeat away from a change of regime,
03:31.1
not only administration,
03:32.3
and totally change of our foreign policy direction,
03:34.6
some people would say.
03:37.1
Does the president have people he can rely on?
03:39.4
Because for a long time, Justice Carpenter,
03:42.5
the BBM has no bongo.
03:44.0
His bongo is Vic Rodriguez.
03:45.4
Of course, we know what happened.
03:47.2
And the people who are now his chief of staff,
03:49.4
these are clerical people,
03:52.7
no offense to some of your former colleagues,
03:54.4
or these are people who are,
03:56.2
you know, I mean, they're his party mate,
03:57.9
you know, his friends back in the day.
03:59.9
So I think people know who I'm referring to.
04:02.3
Wala siyang bongo.
04:03.6
But my understanding is,
04:04.9
someone like Secretary Anuel
04:06.3
is emerging as the kind of the ultimate adult in the room, right?
04:10.8
Someone who's extremely capable, extremely smart.
04:13.2
I interviewed him in the past.
04:14.7
I'm constantly in touch with people from National Security Council
04:16.8
to understand what are the concerns of our country.
04:20.0
Is that also your reading?
04:21.3
Of course, it's the whole system, right?
04:24.1
Brauner, General Braunemont.
04:26.2
sa tingin ko, si Anuel talaga yung ano ngayon, di ba?
04:28.7
Siya yung ultimate adult in the room.
04:31.0
And nakita natin,
04:31.7
very strongly pushback siya kay Digong,
04:33.3
who apparently was, you know,
04:34.9
his former boss when he was the LG Secretary,
04:37.8
he used to work with Digong
04:38.9
when he was stationed there as an AFP commander.
04:42.6
You know, I have a great faith in our military,
04:47.2
in the armed forces,
04:49.1
that they will do the correct thing.
04:51.0
Remember, Richard,
04:57.1
to allow DITO to put up
04:59.3
cell sites in all camps nationwide.
05:02.6
And they had no choice
05:05.0
because it was an order from the President,
05:07.3
from President Duterte.
05:08.9
And you know what that means.
05:10.4
The Chinese will put up cell sites
05:12.9
in all camps nationwide
05:14.9
so that China would be listening
05:17.0
to all our communications.
05:19.7
And the AFP dutifully followed the Commander-in-Chief
05:24.8
But they never implemented it.
05:28.4
they delayed and delayed until Duterte left.
05:32.7
I'm informed by them that
05:34.6
they are not implementing it.
05:40.3
skeleton lang yung Chinese telecom stuff.
05:43.7
They know what to do.
05:46.2
These people are intelligent.
05:48.4
And they know the purpose of China.
05:50.5
They know what China is doing.
05:52.5
And that is their ingrainment.
05:54.8
Their purpose in life is to defend Philippine territory
05:59.3
and the maritime zones.
06:02.5
And they will not do anything
06:03.7
that will be against this basic duty of a soldier.
06:11.0
Because the basic duty of a soldier
06:12.7
is to defend the Philippine state,
06:15.7
And they will not do anything
06:17.3
to betray that mission of theirs.
06:22.6
So, I have great faith in the armed forces.
06:24.8
I definitely share that.
06:26.6
I mean, I think one of the pieces I'm most proud of
06:28.5
was a New York Times op-ed I did back in the day
06:31.8
not Duterte's personal army.
06:34.1
So, I contended from 2017 onwards na
06:37.7
kung maging private army nidigong ito.
06:41.0
Unfortunately, about PNP,
06:42.2
we can have a separate discussion, right?
06:44.4
But the AFP really held the line.
06:48.2
ang tawa ko dyan,
06:49.5
I think the main media
06:50.7
and folks like you,
06:52.7
all of us together,
06:53.5
plus the military,
06:54.6
we really held the line
06:55.6
during that six years.
06:56.4
Because I think we were very close
06:57.5
to complete regime change.
06:59.4
I think Duterte was just a few steps away.
07:01.1
If only he were a bit more competent
07:02.4
and we were a little bit more lax,
07:05.0
which fortunately we were not.
07:06.9
I agree with that.
07:07.9
Now, but Justice Garbo,
07:08.7
of course, there's going to be still
07:09.6
political mudslinging among others.
07:12.2
And one of the things we're seeing right now
07:13.6
is this interesting back and forth
07:15.5
between Duterte-aligned people.
07:18.2
It's Santo Bato de la Rosa,
07:21.7
nagalit si Arnold,
07:24.6
Klaviyo, sabi niya,
07:25.5
hindi media personality yan.
07:29.2
Sabi ko, hindi nga vlogger yan.
07:31.6
Alam niyo na, di ba?
07:33.6
We call that paid hacks.
07:35.0
Oo, hindi yan media personality.
07:36.9
Hindi rin vlogger.
07:37.7
Huwag niyo na ma-insultay
07:39.3
Vlogger na rin ako.
07:40.5
Hindi na makamiganyan, di ba?
07:44.0
So, what is this,
07:46.3
this whole pulveronic discourse,
07:49.2
Na meron daw silang video
07:51.1
or mga nagagawa sa deepfake,
07:52.6
tapos meron daw ito sa
07:54.8
meron daw documents about BBM,
07:56.8
which Duterte was referring to, right?
07:58.9
Do you think something is going on there?
08:00.9
or do you think divided din yung mga DDS?
08:03.9
whatever you want to call them,
08:05.2
on how to approach?
08:06.1
Because this is dangerous.
08:07.7
if you're gonna go there
08:08.6
and try to implicate the president
08:11.7
the hammer will come down, right?
08:16.2
if they have any evidence,
08:20.0
brought it out already.
08:22.2
I don't think they have anything.
08:27.9
where do you think the investigation will go
08:30.2
when it comes to the gentleman's agreement,
08:32.8
the whole Marites and BOT?
08:34.2
Do you think that's something that could also be,
08:36.3
I don't want to use the word used,
08:37.8
but maybe they're also desperate,
08:40.0
not only on the ICC issue,
08:41.8
because pwede na sila mapin down dito sa,
08:44.1
well, allegations of treason.
08:45.5
Of course, walang tayong treason law
08:48.6
but the gentleman's agreement
08:50.0
could be very much contrary
08:51.0
to our national interest.
08:51.9
So if you look at the resolution
08:53.0
of the Philippine Congress,
08:54.0
it more or less says
08:55.5
it was contrary to our national interest,
08:58.6
Yeah, there's a provision
09:00.5
in the anti-graft law
09:01.5
that you're liable for anti-graft
09:04.9
if you do anything
09:07.8
that injures the government,
09:10.0
that causes undue damage
09:12.0
to the government
09:12.6
because of your inexcusable gross negligence
09:16.0
or manifest bad faith.
09:19.3
And it could fall under that
09:24.0
that's causing undue damage
09:27.6
to the government
09:28.7
because we will lose
09:29.8
part of our EEZ to China.
09:33.0
I mean, when you agree
09:33.8
that we will not repair
09:37.2
that means that you will allow it to sink
09:39.2
and then we will have to leave the area
09:41.7
because we will lose our outpost.
09:43.8
That's the meaning of that.
09:45.6
So he could be held liable for that.
09:48.5
Even if he's not a sitting government official anymore,
09:50.8
what kind of penalties are we looking at?
09:52.4
Yes, because the prescriptive period for that,
09:55.8
So it goes beyond their tenure, right?
09:57.4
So what kind of punishments
09:59.9
are we looking at just in case
10:01.0
if held accountable?
10:08.4
if ever hindi ma-ICC dadalhin dun sa kapila,
10:10.6
pwede naman dito, diba?
10:13.3
the walls are closing in, right?
10:15.5
If you're in that camp, right?
10:17.3
Things are not looking that good for them.
10:18.7
Kaya nga sabi ko,
10:19.2
baka desperate na mga ito,
10:20.2
magdi-deepfake mga ito,
10:21.4
magdi-cheapfake mga ito,
10:22.5
kung anong gulo na mga gagawin,
10:24.8
Thank you so much, Justice Scorpio.
10:26.4
I think this was a very extensive discussion.
10:30.1
I wanna talk more,
10:31.3
but I'd rather come back to you later on
10:32.9
because I'm sure you have a lot to also deal with.
10:35.9
balikan natin yung Davao.
10:38.2
Do you think our good AFP
10:39.9
should also step in
10:41.1
and deal with the Kibuloy issue?
10:44.2
totoo ba na si Kibuloy?
10:45.4
May mga tinitrain sila
10:46.4
ng mga military army people.
10:48.0
May nakita akong mga ceremony na
10:49.8
parang yung academy ni Kibuloy
10:51.8
ay tumutulong dun sa mga gusto magsundalo.
10:53.9
what's the score there?
10:54.9
I'm seeing a lot of stuff there.
11:00.0
I haven't verified that.
11:05.1
the DOJ should send the NBI
11:07.5
to Davao to look for
11:09.6
to look for Kibuloy
11:11.3
because you cannot rely on the police there.
11:14.7
And to what degree is the Kibuloy saga
11:18.0
important on the potential fall
11:21.3
of the House of Duterte?
11:25.3
kung hindi mahuli-huli si Kibuloy,
11:28.3
he's just gonna be a
11:29.7
easygoing fugitive,
11:31.8
then what are the prospects
11:33.2
for even more powerful people
11:35.4
being held accountable?
11:36.6
Or maybe it's a matter of
11:37.8
choose your battles
11:38.5
and go for what's more important.
11:39.5
Do you get what I'm saying, right?
11:41.2
Because it's easy for people
11:43.6
Ang ito yung sinasabi nyo,
11:45.7
malapit na gano'n.
11:46.4
Eh, tignan nyo nga si Bantag,
11:49.2
going around pa rin.
11:50.0
Tapos yung mga videos na
11:50.9
from last year na birthday niya,
11:52.6
lumilitaw pa rin,
11:53.9
which gives the wrong impression
11:55.2
na this guy is having a good time.
11:56.8
Maybe he is, right?
11:58.5
there's also this skepticism,
12:00.7
na this is all noise.
12:02.6
At the end of the day,
12:04.1
powerful people get away,
12:06.9
with injustice and wrongdoings.
12:09.4
Are you confident
12:10.3
that the arc of justice is bending,
12:12.1
the history is bending
12:12.9
towards the arc of justice,
12:14.4
at least on this issue,
12:15.2
because there's so much involved,
12:17.0
national interest,
12:20.8
dami na nilang kalaban.
12:22.6
nag-away na ngayon.
12:25.7
President Marcos Jr.,
12:30.2
show some results here.
12:33.9
if you have Bantag
12:35.4
beyond the reach of the law,
12:39.4
he cannot be found.
12:41.3
if you have Kibuloy,
12:42.4
I think that will be a,
12:44.2
that will show some incompetence.
12:48.3
Parang Tevez lang,
12:49.6
nahuli lang Tevez.
12:53.8
Tevez is out of the country,
12:55.7
but these two are here.
12:57.3
you should be able to find them.
13:00.4
if you cannot find them,
13:03.7
the police and the NBI
13:05.4
are not with you.
13:08.6
That raises questions
13:09.8
about chain of command's
13:12.6
To put it mildly,
13:15.3
and drones and everything,
13:16.7
hindi mo mahanap yung mga taong.
13:18.2
I'm having a hard time believing that,
13:21.7
I forgot to ask you,
13:23.1
what do you think about
13:25.7
by the Manila Times?
13:28.6
Beijing's Mouthpiece.
13:30.7
Directly attacking Digong.
13:36.4
Galit kami ni Ronald
13:37.3
kasi di kami sinama doon.
13:38.5
Sinama pa si Gretchen
13:39.6
at saka Jollibee.
13:47.2
galit na yung editorial
13:48.0
for the Manila Times
13:49.6
mouthpiece na daw,
13:50.3
what's going on there?
13:51.9
Is this like the,
13:53.2
sinking vessel and all?
13:55.4
what's going on here?
14:00.7
in what they're doing.
14:05.3
on the other side
14:09.7
the political parties
14:12.5
the party of the president.
14:16.5
baka ganyan din niya,
14:28.2
something positive.
14:29.9
I'm just being so,
14:31.4
pinipilit ko na lang
14:32.3
maging optimistic
14:33.0
about our country.
14:35.4
kung hindi mo mauli
14:36.6
kasi si Kibo Loy.
14:38.9
it's hard to get people
14:39.9
excited about justice
14:41.3
when it comes to someone way bigger, di ba?
14:43.1
I'm just saying. You're right. The president has to
14:45.2
show some teeth. Has to show na
14:47.3
kaya nga tawag sa kanya kuting, di ba?
14:49.9
Nung vlogger scammer
14:51.5
na yan, kuting ang tawag sa kanya.
14:53.1
Dapat tigre. Tigre ng
14:55.0
Norte, di ba? Pakita siya ng ano, di ba?
14:59.7
I'm sure they can find
15:01.3
these two if they want to. The police,
15:07.2
So it's sad if they
15:09.2
could not be arrested.
15:13.1
3-in-1 package na mangyari,
15:16.6
Baka naman, dahil
15:19.4
ilokan ng presidente natin, wait lang,
15:21.2
magastos, i-3-in-1 na natin.
15:23.3
Isang araw na natin silang huli.
15:25.4
Alam nyo na sin yung third para
15:26.9
kumpleto yung 3-in-1 natin.
15:29.1
Kung cheap fake yung kabila,
15:31.3
dito naman 3-in-1 para
15:32.6
affordable. On that note,
15:34.9
Justice Carpio, is there anything else you want to tell
15:36.7
dun sa mga kapabayan natin? Thank you so much
15:39.0
for, we talked about Reed Bank, which is not
15:41.0
discussed too much, but apparently when we talked,
15:43.0
sabi ko, sige, huwag natin pag-usapan,
15:44.7
hayaan natin gumawa lang ng tama yung gobyerno.
15:47.0
But in Scarborough, I like it.
15:49.7
sequential lawfare, and then potentially
15:52.8
backing it up with directly challenging
15:54.7
their de facto encirclement and
15:56.4
semi-occupation, that should be the way forward.
15:58.7
Kasi nakatingal lang tayo dyan.
16:00.2
So forever na yung ganyan yung Scarborough,
16:02.0
that's untenable.
16:05.0
Yeah, we should do something.
16:08.2
Thank you very much, Justice Carpio. On that note, hopefully
16:10.6
next time, hindi na ito yung mga
16:12.0
cheap Zoom yung gagawin natin.
16:14.3
Gagana yung UP faculty natin. Otherwise, kailangan ko
16:16.5
na mag-upgrade dito. On that note,
16:18.4
thank you very much, Justice Carpio. Mabuhay ka.
16:20.5
More power to you, and talk to you soon.
16:22.3
Hopefully, we can arrange also in person, kasi ang init lang
16:24.5
ngayon eh. So hopefully, medyo kung hindi na
16:26.5
mainit, let's arrange in person naman. Mag-uupo
16:28.6
tayo. I think lots, lots to discuss.
16:30.5
God bless po. Thank you so much, sir.
16:32.0
Okay, Richard. Thank you, and thank you to our viewers.
