00:18.2
with quite some influence
00:19.4
when he makes statements, you have to understand those statements
00:22.1
within a particular context, diba
00:23.7
at of course you wonder
00:25.6
anong status ni Digong ngayon dito sa
00:35.3
sa kanyang kaibigan
00:38.5
kasi parang nag-change tone na talaga si Tatay ngayon ulit eh
00:45.0
ito, tunanong siya dito
00:53.2
tinanong siya dun sa issue ni Kiboloy na
00:55.6
binigyan siya ng bags of guns daw
00:58.3
ako pa ba ang mabilivere sa kanyan
01:00.2
ako pa daw mag-deliver sa kanya ng kanyan
01:04.0
ako pa ba ang mabibibere sa kanyan
01:07.1
ba't mahibigin ang internet
01:11.4
bakit nga si Pastor mamigay ng baril sa akin
01:13.8
g Flex suminam ko ha
01:14.8
kung magsabi siya wala siyang baril
01:20.3
ako pa ba ang mabilibere sa kanya
01:25.0
ako pa daw magauyg fragrance bigay ng machine gun
01:28.1
ako pa daw mag-deliver sa neces POP
01:28.3
But you see, that's what Duterte does, di ba?
01:30.1
Whenever you put him under a serious question
01:32.1
na potentially incriminating,
01:34.1
ang ginagawa lang niya,
01:35.8
papalitan lang niya yung topic,
01:37.1
tapos magpapatawa lang siya, di ba?
01:39.3
You see, that's one of the communication strengths
01:42.7
hindi ko nga napansin ko.
01:44.0
Yung tactical and strategic usage of humor.
01:48.4
Tactical, inisensya minsan,
01:49.7
yun yung pang-deflect niya, di ba?
01:51.0
Kunyari, very contentious yung issue
01:52.8
or medyo alanganin siya,
01:54.5
magpapatawa lang siya,
01:55.6
wala na, tapos na usapan, di ba?
01:57.2
People just remember the jokes and all.
01:59.9
And sometimes very inappropriate jokes, unfortunately.
02:02.1
Sometimes jokes that are not even jokes.
02:03.6
They're more like incendiary, offensive things.
02:07.2
And then there are times na strategic talaga siya,
02:09.1
hindi lang siyang tactical,
02:10.1
in the sense na he's just using humor in general
02:14.4
to reinforce yung kanyang populist appeal, di ba?
02:17.5
Ang dami na, ang dami ko na-meet ng tao na,
02:19.9
eh, yung si Tatay, di kong nakaka-relate yun
02:22.4
kasi nakakatawa siya, parang...
02:24.5
Alam mo yun, guys,
02:25.0
yung parang mga ginagawa natin na patawa na gano'n,
02:27.2
So, I understand why siguro the vice president
02:31.0
is trying to just do yung mga videos na gano'n.
02:33.1
Kasi siguro napansin niya,
02:34.1
it's easier to get, you know,
02:36.7
to get closer to the heart of people
02:41.7
pag gumagamit ka ng mga ganyang humor
02:43.5
kaysa yung, you know, you get very serious and all
02:46.4
and then you make faux pas,
02:47.7
you make a mistake here,
02:50.3
tapos ikaw pa yung education secretary.
02:52.2
So, I see what's going on.
02:53.9
I think the advice is,
02:55.1
ayun, magpatawa na lang tayo, Inday,
02:56.9
or something like that.
02:57.8
Kasi kitang-kita natin, eh,
02:59.0
gumagana talaga sa Tatay niya, eh.
03:00.4
In fact, kanina, I was going through videos.
03:04.1
May nakita tayong videos sa TikTok, for instance.
03:07.6
And I think that's very important.
03:09.3
Balikan natin yan.
03:10.1
I'll post it separately.
03:11.7
Ito yung video ni Digong nung debate nila sa TV5.
03:15.6
Diba, I think dun talaga,
03:18.0
Digong was able to be the breakout star.
03:20.0
I think that debate, he did horribly in terms of substance,
03:22.5
but in terms of audience,
03:23.5
yung pakanggaling niya yung...
03:24.9
Ito yung debate na pinagtatawa na,
03:27.8
uy, kanina ka pa nagsiyar,
03:29.2
pangatlong beses mo na yan.
03:30.2
Yung mga gano'n, yung mga banter niya,
03:32.0
tapos yung, diba, sila, Grace po,
03:34.8
napaka-respectful, stateswoman-like,
03:36.6
nag-greet si Lord DeVera, ganyan-ganyan.
03:39.4
sorry, wala akong kilala sa inyo, eh.
03:41.3
Hayo na lang ako dun sa mga indiminensyo.
03:43.0
Yung mga gano'n siya.
03:43.9
So, meron siyang strategic deployment of humor talaga
03:47.8
to make a strong populist appeal.
03:50.7
So, humor, dark humor,
03:52.5
and sometimes very, you know, offensive,
03:56.9
Is what he uses in order to reinforce
03:59.4
yung kanyang emotional, affective connection sa tao.
04:01.6
So, kitang-kita natin kay Digong yan,
04:03.5
yung ganyan self,
04:04.4
or tactically uses it for deflecting,
04:07.4
for deflecting criticism,
04:08.8
or if there's a question.
04:09.7
So, dito, tinanong siya about kibolo and guns,
04:12.1
nagpatawa na lang siya,
04:13.4
ba't yung pare po magbigay sa'yo?
04:14.9
Ako po magbigay yung ganyan-ganyan,
04:16.0
machine gun, ganyan-ganyan.
04:17.7
So, you see that,
04:20.2
there's something going on there.
04:21.9
Now, my sense is,
04:22.6
Sarah is trying to replicate that.
04:25.0
I just don't know how successful it is.
04:28.4
Because I just don't think it's at the same level as Digong.
04:31.8
I think Digong still does it very, very differently.
04:34.7
Kaya hindi ako nagtataka,
04:35.7
yung kaibigan natin na si,
04:38.5
Professor Claudio,
04:41.7
master rhetorician.
04:46.0
in a sense that he's not a very good speaker.
04:47.8
Like, ang sabog yung,
04:49.0
hindi mo alam kung saan papunta yung discussion.
04:50.9
But the impact is very strong.
04:53.2
The impact is very strong.
04:55.2
especially when he speaks in his
04:58.7
Visaya is a language.
04:59.8
It's not a dialect.
05:01.2
In the same way that,
05:02.3
Ilocano is a language.
05:04.9
It's not a dialect.
05:05.7
It's not a variation,
05:06.7
variation of Tagalog.
05:08.3
You can say there's a
05:09.5
Batangueño version of Tagalog.
05:11.8
It could be a dialect.
05:13.2
but when it comes to Visaya,
05:14.3
it's a completely different language
05:15.9
from Tagalog or Filipino.
05:17.8
I think when Digong is speaking
05:20.3
even if I don't understand it really,
05:22.7
konti lang here and there,
05:24.0
I could see yung,
05:26.5
grabe yung audience impact niya.
05:29.8
gumaganan-ganan siya.
05:31.8
Yung parang ginigigil-gigil niya
05:33.5
yung sasabihin niya.
05:35.0
even as someone who doesn't speak Visaya,
05:36.6
I could see the strength of that strategy.
05:39.5
hindi ako nagtataka na minsan
05:40.5
siguro si Sarah is trying to
05:41.7
pull off something similar.
05:43.3
But it's not at the same level.
05:44.6
Kaya nga sabi ko,
05:45.8
one thing interesting to watch here
05:48.3
Because I think Baste
05:49.2
has a better grasp
05:50.6
or better ability
05:52.1
to replicate yung father niya.
05:53.7
Except, of course,
05:56.5
one thing that Sarah
05:57.2
and her father have in common
05:58.4
is that both of them
05:59.1
have legal training.
06:01.0
that gives them a certain
06:04.6
or sort of authority
06:09.0
gives them some sort of cover also
06:10.6
for things that they do.
06:13.3
they can always say,
06:14.2
bakit ako abogado?
06:15.6
Paano mo sabihin ng ganyan-ganyan?
06:17.8
I'm just telling you,
06:18.4
all of these things are related.
06:20.2
pinag-iisipan lahat yan.
06:21.9
Even yung mga malabong
06:23.0
clarificatory statement.
06:25.1
magpapatawa ka na lang
06:27.1
you're playing to different audiences
06:28.5
and you're using different cadence,
06:31.6
communication strategies
06:33.1
to reach out to different audience
06:34.7
and have an overall impact.
06:37.5
I was also looking at how
06:38.5
Digon will say something
06:41.0
as far as BBM is concerned,
06:43.3
may statement siya kay Kiboloy.
06:46.2
ang statement ni BBM
06:49.1
huwag kang matakot,
06:49.8
there's nothing to fear,
06:52.5
nung tinanong siya about
06:53.3
the assassination plot,
06:56.5
napatawa na lang siya.
07:10.5
napatawa na lang siya
07:11.6
nung tinanong siya about
07:12.8
sino naman mag-assassinate
07:15.2
Pakita ka na lang
07:20.7
you have both BBM
07:22.4
trying to just downplay
07:27.0
ano yung sinisabi
07:28.8
And this is where you see
07:30.9
consummate politician.
07:34.2
he's a total politician
07:37.5
this is not about ideology,
07:39.8
hindi eto sa consistency
07:40.9
ng sinisabi niya.
07:42.0
It's not even about
07:42.6
the substance of his argument.
07:44.3
Ang style ni Digon lang
07:47.8
What worked in January
07:49.1
may not work in February,
07:50.7
ibain ko yung sasabing ko.
07:56.8
Kung masyada naman ako magpatawa,
07:58.2
baka makalimutan niya
07:59.0
ng presidente ako
08:00.7
e, di remind natin ng tao
08:01.9
na medyo matalino din tayo,
08:03.3
medyo abogado din tayo.
08:05.1
You see what I'm saying?
08:06.6
he's a consummate politician.
08:08.6
Very, very politician.
08:10.1
he's a different kind of politician
08:12.0
because the BBM politician
08:14.5
above the phrase style
08:17.5
is a consummate populist
08:18.8
kind of politician.
08:20.2
parating tinitingnan ko
08:21.2
what is Sara trying to do
08:22.6
in terms of replicating
08:24.0
yung style ng father.
08:26.4
none of this is an endorsement,
08:30.9
of Digon to politics.
08:32.3
I'm very, very critical
08:34.2
kasi para sa akin,
08:35.6
misa pang barangay level lang,
08:37.1
although no offense
08:37.7
sa mga barangay chairman.
08:38.8
Maraming tayong kilala
08:39.6
ng mga barangay chairman
08:40.5
na mas mati ng mag-isip
08:42.3
at mas magaling magsalita.
08:47.8
and I cannot deny
08:51.5
a very strong appeal.
08:53.1
And I don't think
08:54.5
in the opposition
08:55.2
the pink movement,
08:57.5
even yung mga loyalists
08:58.6
na to just dismiss lang Digon
09:00.5
or just make fun of Digon
09:03.7
you can laugh at him,
09:04.5
you can laugh with him,
09:05.8
but at the end of the day,
09:08.9
nung hatak nila eh.
09:10.1
Yun ang sinasabi ko parati
09:11.6
kaya I'm not surprised
09:13.8
will try to keep things
09:15.9
Having said that,
09:17.7
so while I disagree
09:20.6
na the Bardagulan
09:25.2
meaning some sort
09:27.1
in the short term,
09:30.8
Culmination did not happen.
09:32.0
Even if yung minuramuran
09:34.3
ni Tatay si yung isa,
09:38.2
ng D-Day yung isa.
09:40.7
Digon also sensing
09:43.1
is not so easy to trigger,
09:44.8
he's also changing tone.
09:45.9
So this is actually
09:46.7
a fight of two types
09:47.9
of traditional politicians.
09:50.1
Both very consummate politicians.
09:52.1
Consummate politicians
09:53.4
consummate politicians
09:55.1
and I think Duterte
09:58.4
na pagdating dito
09:59.8
sa issue ng Chacha,
10:04.1
the administration side.
10:08.3
doon sa ruling establishment,
10:12.7
who are invested na
10:15.1
And you could see,
10:15.7
despite all the drama
10:20.3
all those statements
10:22.1
unanimous statement
10:25.5
about people's initiative,
10:27.4
despite all of the backlash
10:29.0
against Etzapuera,
10:31.2
and all of the shenanigans,
10:33.3
by some of the congressmen
10:35.6
tuloy pa rin ang usapan.
10:38.9
and I think we partially
10:40.8
with si Ronald kaapon,
10:42.6
and I think you also
10:43.5
listened to this discussion
10:45.1
with Christian Esquera
10:45.9
or ongoing pa rin ba?
10:54.2
least common denominator
10:57.6
or a working consensus
10:59.3
na between Senate
11:02.3
gagamitin ng Kongreso
11:04.7
numerical superiority
11:08.5
the entire Senate.
11:09.9
But it looks like
11:16.7
Or, at the very least,
11:18.9
and dito mahalaga
11:19.7
yung sinasabi ni BBM
11:20.6
na discussed natin shortly,
11:22.1
there will be a push
11:25.1
essentially ma-formalize
11:28.1
ma-institutionalize
11:29.4
etong constitutional change.
11:31.7
let's quickly talk about
11:37.1
etong mga monologue style,
11:40.3
there are a bunch of people
11:43.0
there who make comments
11:45.4
why do you go around,
11:46.6
beat around the bush,
11:47.9
why don't you go straight
11:48.7
to your discussion?
11:50.3
if you're in my classroom,
11:52.2
if you have seen me
11:53.8
if you have seen me in,
11:55.5
if you have followed my stuff,
11:58.4
I go straight to the point.
12:00.1
But if there's one thing
12:01.0
I realize from the populist
12:03.5
and mga buljak style,
12:06.2
people also appreciate
12:07.4
the kind of a monologue style
12:09.5
you're playing all these games
12:12.0
actually not games,
12:13.0
you're taking people
12:14.5
on a journey of a conversation.
12:15.9
You're thinking things out loud
12:17.3
and you're essentially
12:19.1
to think along with you
12:20.5
while you go to the meat
12:21.7
of the discussion.
12:27.2
it's an Aristotelian approach,
12:29.4
Mahabang usapan yan.
12:30.8
the Socratic-Platonic approach
12:33.0
is you start with some great idea
12:34.5
and then immediately
12:35.2
you break it down.
12:36.7
The Aristotelian approach
12:37.6
is you build from ground
12:38.9
and then you move above.
12:40.5
Kaya yung monologue style
12:42.5
that's the approach.
12:43.6
So everything I do guys here,
12:44.9
it's not just like that.
12:46.6
Pinag-isipan natin yan,
12:47.9
And it's also based on
12:49.5
thousands of vlogs
12:52.7
If you go to my YouTube,
12:53.6
I think we have already
12:54.4
uploaded 1,500 vlogs already,
12:57.6
So everything we do there
12:58.4
is based on experience,
13:00.7
based on interaction.
13:01.7
And I'll be very honest guys,
13:05.1
it's just not inductive,
13:06.5
There's also kind of
13:07.0
a rhetorical build-up style.
13:09.6
mahabang usapan yan.
13:11.4
but what I'm telling you guys is,
13:14.7
This is a conversation
13:18.9
I'm discussing this issue,
13:19.7
tinitingnan ko yung comments nyo,
13:21.1
iniisip ko rin yung ma,
13:23.2
dinidiscuss natin.
13:24.6
we're learning together.
13:25.7
So I hope you guys appreciate
13:26.6
what we're doing here.
13:28.5
In fairness naman,
13:29.5
in fairness naman,
13:31.3
marami tayong mga supporters
13:33.1
all around the world.
13:34.3
thank you so much
13:34.9
dun sa mga kameta natin
13:36.3
from United Arab Emirates
13:38.8
So hindi lang tayo
13:39.4
nag-number one dito
13:41.6
consistently among the top
13:43.2
podcast tayo dito.
13:44.1
Hindi lang dito sa Pilipinas
13:46.9
Salamat din sa mga kababayan natin
13:48.8
in other countries
13:49.5
around the world.
13:50.3
Especially United Arab Emirates,
13:53.6
Even sa Australia,
13:59.0
or top 10 pa tayo
13:59.9
sa mga political podcast.
14:01.1
So I really appreciate that.
14:02.6
So it looks like,
14:03.4
marami sa ating mga kababayan
14:04.6
na appreciate nila
14:05.3
yung how we're approaching
14:07.2
going back to this,
14:10.5
what we're trying to do here is,
14:12.5
gusto kong makita nyo
14:14.8
when we discuss an issue,
14:16.0
we're not just discussing
14:17.0
the issue based on
14:18.0
what's there in the news.
14:19.6
We're not just discussing
14:20.7
an issue of chachas
14:22.1
You have to understand
14:23.0
the psychological games here.
14:25.4
You have to understand
14:26.3
the biography of people
14:27.5
we're talking about.
14:28.1
You have to understand
14:30.0
what I'm doing is,
14:30.5
I'm giving you a sense of
14:33.1
of Digong's algorithm.
14:34.9
Because pinag-aralan ko na
14:37.3
six, seven years.
14:38.4
first year pa lang na,
14:39.1
nang kasulat na tayo
14:39.9
ng libro about him.
14:41.2
But I never pretended
14:42.1
to fully understand
14:43.0
what was going on.
14:45.2
when I pay attention
14:46.6
I obsessively pay attention
14:52.9
interesting people
14:54.5
but it is what it is.
14:56.6
This is about our country.
14:57.9
We have to understand
14:59.1
with our leaders,
14:59.8
with the people out there,
15:00.6
whether you like them or not.
15:02.4
And also with BBM.
15:04.3
As you can see, guys,
15:06.1
I discussed BBMs.
15:08.8
many things that we
15:09.9
predicted about BBM
15:13.3
including mga articles natin
15:15.7
in the first days
15:18.0
But at the same time,
15:19.4
I'm never complacent
15:21.2
in the sense that,
15:22.7
ang gagawin nila.
15:23.3
No, I'm constantly
15:26.0
the algorithm of this tao.
15:30.0
Ayan na naman tayo.
15:32.7
Okay, let's go back to this.
15:33.7
So, speaking of Digong,
15:34.9
being a conscient politician,
15:36.2
so, biglang may konting
15:39.0
nag-switch gear siya.
15:41.5
the switch gear thing
15:42.3
is something you guys
15:42.9
have to get used to.
15:44.2
This is what politicians do.
15:46.6
Because they have no ideology.
15:48.2
They have no coherent vision.
15:51.7
tactical situations.
15:53.3
That's a term that you guys
15:54.3
have to keep in mind.
15:57.5
In fact, I got the term
15:58.4
from the very good historian
16:02.2
who tried to understand
16:03.4
how, for instance,
16:04.2
regulators in the United States
16:05.8
responded to financial crisis.
16:08.0
The term tactical situational
16:09.5
means you're driven
16:12.6
You're driven by,
16:19.5
kind of calculus.
16:20.5
It's about survival.
16:22.7
it's about going from
16:23.4
one crisis to the other
16:26.1
strength to strength.
16:27.0
Or when you're weak,
16:29.8
there's absolutely
16:30.5
no surprise in my heart
16:31.6
that Digong will come out
16:32.8
and suddenly say this
16:33.9
about the chacha.
16:35.1
That this is a breath
16:39.3
so ito yung base dun
16:41.9
oh, kasi yung administration
16:46.2
nag-welcome na sila.
16:48.5
I'm just trying to find
16:50.2
quote from Digong.
16:52.7
Bakit hindi yung quote
16:53.4
ni Digong nandito?
16:56.2
I'm just trying to find.
16:57.2
But from what I saw
16:59.5
si Digong said something like,
17:04.2
presidential term limits
17:05.8
Because as far as
17:07.0
at least he followed that.
17:08.0
Although we know naman
17:08.5
the context for that,
17:10.7
Pumalpak lang kasi
17:12.2
Medvedev-Putin scenario.
17:15.8
at least in his case,
17:16.4
so suddenly he's being
17:21.8
palitan yung constitution,
17:27.3
medyo trigger warning yan.
17:28.8
That will trigger panic,
17:30.0
especially if you're president.
17:32.2
Your president is,
17:35.4
Ferdinand Marcos Jr.
17:37.0
Digong essentially did two
17:45.8
ay hindi ko tinawag
17:49.1
wala akong sinabi na ganoon na,
17:50.4
even if you kill me
17:51.1
a thousand times,
17:52.1
wala akong sinabi,
17:52.7
wala akong sinabing ganoon.
17:53.8
I did not say that.
17:54.9
Even if you kill me
17:55.6
a thousand times,
17:56.3
I did not say such a thing.
17:57.5
Make it taking a drug.
17:58.8
Pero kung sabihin mong addict,
18:00.5
wala akong sinabing ganyan.
18:02.6
Patayin ako ni Marcos niyan,
18:04.7
maawa ka naman sa akin,
18:12.2
itag na natin doon sa video
18:13.6
kung saan sabihin niya,
18:15.1
nagmura-mura siya na,
18:17.0
na meron tayong drug addict
18:20.1
But this is what he does.
18:21.4
He says something
18:22.3
and he totally contradicts it
18:23.7
and he's okay with that
18:24.7
as if nothing happened.
18:26.0
We see this with Donald Trump,
18:27.5
we see this with Bolsonaro,
18:28.7
we see this with Orban,
18:31.0
We'd see this even
18:31.9
with Vladimir Putin,
18:33.6
yung ganyan na paiba-ibang
18:38.1
change of tone din siya dito sa
18:41.8
essentially with BBM,
18:44.9
also withdrawing his
18:46.0
direct attack against
18:47.5
some sort of charter change,
18:49.8
I think the road is
18:51.0
very much paved na.
18:54.1
and the administration
18:55.2
to push things forward.
18:57.2
that's why this is something
19:01.0
really discuss it.
19:04.2
ito yung sinabi ni
19:08.9
we can have the plebiscite
19:10.0
in the local elections
19:10.9
to be held in May next year,
19:14.1
that will be a huge deal
19:15.6
that will save us so much.
19:16.8
So that's why we're studying it
19:18.1
in terms of logistics.
19:19.7
Kasi kung sinabay mo ito,
19:21.6
sinabay mo itong plebiscite
19:23.8
sa new constitution,
19:27.5
pipili ka kung sino
19:28.4
mga gusto mong senador,
19:29.4
meron din isa pang form,
19:31.6
sa constitutional amendment,
19:33.2
blah, blah, blah,
19:34.0
anong gusto mo mangyari,
19:35.8
parang agree ka ba
19:37.9
na okay lang palitan
19:39.1
yung economic provisions,
19:40.5
The final versions,
19:42.0
I think it's still,
19:42.9
still somehow in the works.
19:44.9
But it will go through
19:46.0
some sort of plebiscite.
19:48.5
the administration is already
19:54.0
ang kinu-quote ko dito.
19:57.4
Richard Haydar yan.
19:58.8
Ito yung sinabi ko sa Time Magazine.
20:00.1
So this is the article
20:00.8
by Time Magazine.
20:02.7
one concern will be,
20:05.1
in Time Magazine,
20:05.7
dito sa article na yan,
20:10.3
itong constitutional change.
20:15.0
ako kasi personally,
20:18.8
na pag pinalitan mo
20:19.7
yung constitution,
20:20.5
automatically maging maganda
20:22.2
in terms of investments
20:23.7
I think that's just blah-blah.
20:25.3
I think that's just nothing burger.
20:27.2
Because if you look at Vietnam,
20:28.6
you look at China,
20:29.5
you look at many countries
20:30.5
with very restrictive
20:32.2
and investment rules,
20:34.2
nakukuha nyo lang investment.
20:36.2
because investors look at
20:38.1
cost of logistics,
20:40.7
proper infrastructure,
20:43.2
They're looking at things like
20:44.4
regulatory predictability.
20:46.8
They're looking at things like
20:47.7
political stability.
20:48.9
They're looking at things like
20:50.7
production costs,
20:51.6
productivity trends.
20:53.5
Yun yung mga ganyan
20:54.2
ang tinitignan ng mga
20:55.2
yun ang mga tinitignan
20:57.6
when they come to a country.
20:58.9
So, yung mga nagsabi na
21:01.7
certain provisions
21:03.0
of our constitutions,
21:03.8
then we're gonna be
21:04.4
super progressive.
21:05.4
I don't know what they're talking about.
21:06.7
I don't think that these people
21:07.6
understand basic development
21:08.7
economics or have done
21:09.7
a basic comparative analysis
21:12.8
ginagamit lang ito
21:15.1
to push for some sort of
21:16.5
change in the constitution.
21:19.5
mukhang the agreement is
21:23.0
coordinated voting
21:36.0
at anong pupunta dyan
21:37.5
sa plebiscite next year.
21:41.3
while there is an agreement
21:43.9
certain provisions
21:45.0
of the constitution
21:45.7
when it comes to the
21:47.9
of our constitution,
21:49.5
I doubt that this is
21:51.5
really the ultimate purpose.
21:54.5
And I doubt that this will be
21:55.6
the ultimate thing.
21:57.0
But having said that,
21:59.5
yung plebiscite next year
22:00.9
will just be about
22:02.1
the economic provisions,
22:06.2
economic provisions na yan,
22:08.0
the moment na mag-clear
22:08.9
ito sa plebiscite,
22:12.1
You're kind of normalizing
22:13.6
opening kind of forms.
22:15.6
Kasi the moment na maging
22:17.3
na palitan yung ating
22:19.7
the next thing you know,
22:20.8
there's gonna be another
22:22.3
another provisions, right?
22:23.7
Or if BBM will not
22:25.0
succeed in doing that,
22:25.9
the next administration
22:26.8
will push for that.
22:34.0
it's a psychological barrier
22:36.0
but also it's about
22:36.9
clearing a political barrier.
22:39.4
uncharted territory.
22:42.1
So yun ang tinitignan natin.
22:43.5
block ko lang ito
22:44.2
mga walang yang ito.
22:45.6
wag kang bastos ah.
22:52.4
bastos kayo dyan,
22:55.9
Umayos kayo dito.
23:05.4
umayos kayo dyan.
23:08.5
ma-improve yung utak nyo
23:11.9
ang pag-intindihan sa buhay,
23:14.0
di wag kayo bumunta dito.
23:15.9
Ganon kasimple lang naman eh.
23:17.1
Ganon kasimple lang naman.
23:18.2
Wag kayong manggulog
23:19.0
dito sa classroom natin,
23:20.5
We're having a proper discussion here.
23:22.4
what I'm saying is this.
23:24.4
If the Senate and Congress
23:26.5
even to the minimum
23:28.0
economic provisions,
23:31.7
setting a precedence eh.
23:33.5
setting a precedence.
23:37.7
bago matapos ang taon,
23:42.3
ang 2025 elections,
23:47.5
comprehensive constitutional change.
23:49.9
a new constitution altogether.
23:51.4
Charter change meaning.
23:53.4
But even if that doesn't happen,
23:55.3
you're already setting a precedence
23:57.1
and you're potentially opening
23:58.2
kind of forms here.
23:59.7
Because you're normalizing
24:03.1
with the constitution
24:05.3
So, having said that,
24:06.5
kaya nga sabi ko eh,
24:08.7
you can say in a way
24:09.6
it's a slippery slope.
24:11.8
kind of forms there.
24:25.2
The idea of changing
24:29.9
the moment na you do that,
24:31.5
gusto mong maging diktador.
24:32.5
Gusto mong ibalik
24:33.2
yung mga Marcos-style dictatorship.
24:38.7
without much controversy
24:43.2
dun sa ating saligang batas,
24:44.6
you're already setting
24:50.1
ahead of 2020 elections
24:52.8
at the very least,
24:55.4
the next president
24:56.9
or the next generation
24:57.7
to push for something else.
24:59.6
madali lang sabihin
25:00.2
ng next president na
25:03.5
sa dating presidente,
25:05.9
itong economic charter change
25:07.4
or amendment lang
25:09.2
sa saligang batas.
25:10.5
Pero kulang yan, guys,
25:11.9
para mas marami pa tayong
25:14.3
mas marami pa tayong investment,
25:15.7
mas marami pa tayong travel,
25:16.8
kailangan pa natin
25:17.6
palitan yung mga ganyan.
25:19.4
this would escalate.
25:21.9
parati ko sinasabi
25:22.6
na mahalaga na talaga
25:26.8
mahalaga na mobilize
25:29.3
nagpa-popcorn-popcorn lang
25:31.4
things are already moving.
25:38.4
constitutional change.
25:42.1
even if maging partial lang yan,
25:44.7
you never know eh
25:49.4
mas malaki pa si BBM,
25:50.3
he'll push even for more.
25:51.7
Or if after 2025,
25:53.5
kung hindi pa malaki si BBM,
25:54.9
yung next na president
25:55.7
can push for more
25:56.6
comprehensive charter change.
25:58.2
So, the idea of a Marcos Jr.
26:00.1
overseeing a change of constitution
26:01.5
that try to avoid something
26:03.1
that his father created,
26:04.7
the moment we'll go there,
26:06.5
then you're talking about
26:07.3
some new uncharted territories.
26:09.7
at the very least,
26:10.6
you're breaking certain
26:11.5
psychological barriers.
26:13.1
You're breaking stigma.
26:14.8
You're breaking taboos.
26:16.8
Pag nawala na yung tabo
26:18.2
and stigma na yan,
26:19.4
it's an open field.
26:23.5
very, very close attention
26:24.8
to what is happening here.
26:26.5
Ako, ang basa ko talaga dito is,
26:28.7
kung hindi nag-ingay ng tao,
26:30.2
kung hindi nagkaroon ng backlash
26:31.3
dun sa ETSA puwera,
26:34.5
ibang usapan na ngayon eh.
26:35.8
Hindi lang plebiscite
26:37.1
or hindi lang economic provisions.
26:39.4
This could have gone
26:40.1
in a completely different direction.
26:42.2
Mas wilder version.
26:43.9
So, what I'm saying here is that
26:45.8
hindi ibig sabihin niya
26:48.5
na wala tayong magawa.
26:50.7
Hindi ibig sabihin niya na
26:51.9
hopeless case tayo.
26:53.9
Ang ibig sabihin niya is
26:55.0
dapat vigilant tayo.
26:56.7
Dapat engaged tayo.
26:58.1
Dapat nagsuscrutinize tayo.
26:60.0
And having said all of that,
27:01.4
ako in principle,
27:03.8
with changing certain
27:05.9
provisions of our constitution
27:07.8
dahil I'm not 100% sold
27:10.6
on the 1987 constitution.
27:12.5
I think there are a lot of things
27:13.7
in the 1997 constitution
27:15.0
that hindi necessarily tugma
27:17.2
dun sa mga pangailangan.
27:18.5
Sa aking palagay,
27:21.4
may mga elements sa 1997 constitution
27:23.2
na more of reaction
27:24.7
dun sa mga masamang nangyari
27:26.8
nung panahon ng martial law
27:28.0
but are not necessarily
27:29.7
the best thing for us
27:31.2
given anong pangailangan
27:33.9
sa panahon ngayon.
27:37.4
But having said that,
27:39.1
the change should be done
27:41.2
and the change should be done
27:42.6
by the right people.
27:44.4
And that is why the least
27:48.8
and if we find something fishy and all,
27:50.8
dapat mag-react tayo,
27:51.8
mag-respond tayo.
27:53.2
Because ang trajectory ngayon
27:55.5
is not too different
27:56.9
from Maharlika Fund.
27:58.4
Kung maalala ninyo
28:00.1
the first version that came out
28:01.9
was kind of crazy.
28:03.8
In fact, the first version
28:04.7
I think had Marcos Jr.
28:05.9
as the de facto head
28:07.4
of the Maharlika Fund.
28:09.1
nung nagkaroon ng sobrang daming
28:11.7
they went through
28:12.5
multiple, multiple,
28:13.9
multiple provisions,
28:16.8
pinilit pa rin nila.
28:17.9
They still cleared
28:18.6
the Maharlika Fund.
28:19.5
But the Maharlika Fund
28:22.0
the final version
28:23.7
or the final version
28:24.8
that is still being
28:25.7
operationalized and all,
28:27.1
it's nowhere as bad
28:28.0
as the first version.
28:29.7
So while hindi nagsucceed
28:32.3
in terms of stopping
28:33.4
the Maharlika Fund
28:35.1
they at least were able
28:40.1
hindi lang call out,
28:42.5
the worst version
28:44.1
of the Maharlika Fund.
28:47.9
this chacha is gonna happen
28:49.0
through scrutiny mobilization,
28:50.9
the very least that
28:51.6
the opposition can do
28:52.9
that the worst version
28:54.2
of chacha doesn't happen.
28:56.1
And you wanna also do that
28:57.1
because you wanna also
28:58.5
to the next administrations
28:60.0
or to this administration
29:02.5
na hindi natutulog
29:05.0
na bantay-saradong
29:08.7
and people will make sure
29:11.6
for the good of the country
29:12.7
hindi for the good
29:15.8
thank you very much again.
29:16.8
Pasensya again guys
29:17.6
dun sa kung may mga
29:19.4
or technical problems
29:21.2
baka it's the phone
29:22.7
so probably I have to
29:23.3
get something new.
29:25.0
sa mga suggestions
29:26.7
wag mo na yung mga
29:27.9
baka Korean na lang.
29:30.9
And thank you also
29:31.9
dun sa mga pasensyoso
29:35.6
na-appreciate nila
29:36.5
what we're trying to do here
29:37.9
monologue conversation
29:43.1
these vlogs are not
29:45.8
These vlogs are not
29:50.0
These vlogs are also
29:50.9
about making sure
29:54.1
our critical thinking skills.
29:57.3
Kasi hindi naman pwede
29:58.2
na purong criticize ka lang.
30:00.0
Dapat meron ka rin
30:02.5
dapat may framework ka.
30:04.4
Dapat you criticize
30:05.2
even the criticism
30:06.2
if it's necessary.
30:07.9
And at the same time,
30:09.5
ng 360 degrees yan.
30:11.4
Sino yung mga actors
30:12.8
Ano yung mga interest
30:13.3
ng mga actors na yan?
30:14.1
How are they positioned
30:15.3
towards each other?
30:16.5
Ano yung asymmetry
30:17.9
Ano yung power relationship?
30:19.2
Anong pwede natin go in?
30:21.8
thinking straight,
30:24.1
understanding of the situation.
30:27.8
we can scrutinize
30:28.8
and push the government
30:29.7
in the right direction.
30:32.7
the role of the citizen
30:33.5
is to hold the feet
30:35.2
close to the fire
30:36.2
so that they behave
30:36.9
themselves just in case
30:40.6
thank you very much
30:41.4
and marami salamat guys.
30:43.5
with you guys soon.
30:45.1
We'll try to also
30:47.0
have more discussions
30:47.8
with other guests soon.
30:51.0
medyo pagod na tayo.
30:51.7
Ang habang nungusapan namin
30:52.8
ni Ronaldo kahapon.
30:54.0
Umabot ng tatlong oras
30:55.5
mag-recover muna tayo dyan.
30:59.3
yung audio natin this time
31:00.5
katulad nung kahapon.
31:05.3
God bless and talk to you soon.
