00:47.8
in-interview ako ni Patrick Paez sa 1PH.
00:51.9
Sabi ko, ito yung isang low-hanging fruit na pwedeng gawin.
00:56.9
Ni President-elect Bongbong Marcos.
01:01.6
Dahil hindi kinakailangan ng legislation, hindi kinakailangan ng major agreements.
01:08.4
It's not a huge effort.
01:12.3
Pero magbabago yung kanyang image within the country, but most importantly, outside the country.
01:19.0
Kung papalayain niya or papayagan niya mag-bail si Laila Delima,
01:22.7
lalo na yung evidence naman ay masyadong manipis.
01:26.9
At hindi naman niya kaaway si Laila Delima.
01:29.7
So, inulit ko yan last year, several times.
01:34.6
Nangyari na binigyan nila ng lifeline si Laila last year.
01:39.4
Nang sabi nila, oh Laila, sabihin mo lang na meron kang serious illness.
01:45.2
Ikaw ay papalabasin namin sa preso, hospital arrest, and even house arrest.
01:50.2
It's almost bail.
01:52.4
Nang sabi ni Laila, ibig sabihin magsisinungaling ako?
01:55.8
Ibig sabihin, sasabihin.
01:56.9
Ibig sabihin ko na may ganitong klaseng karamdaman para wala.
02:00.1
Hindi ko gagawin yan.
02:01.3
I will just stay here.
02:02.9
Kahit most of the time, solitary confinement ako.
02:06.5
Early this year, nangyari ulian.
02:09.0
Binigyan nila ng lifeline si Laila na gamitin yung habeas corpus, humanitarian grounds,
02:17.7
na ginamit ni Gigi Reyes, chief of staff ni ex-senate president and really,
02:26.9
na nakakulong for almost 10 years, diba?
02:31.0
Sabi ni Laila, teka, teka.
02:33.6
Iyan ay ginagamit, yung judicial precedents niyan are basically yung mga may hina ang kaso,
02:42.5
kaya ini-invoke yung humanitarian grounds.
02:45.2
Ang tingin ko sa kaso ko ay malakas.
02:48.1
Ito ay isang lifeline na inooffer ng gobyerno ng Secretary of Justice
02:57.9
Pero ang gusto ko, gumawa kayo ng judgment doon sa merits of the case.
03:04.3
Yan ang naging debate noon, kaya nagalit si Secretary Remulia.
03:07.6
In-emphasize ni Laila, judge me on the merits of my case.
03:12.5
Kaya tumagal pa siya ng maraming buwan.
03:15.7
Pwede na ma-avail yun.
03:18.4
Kaya ang sinasabi lang natin, maraming pangyayari,
03:23.3
na pwede sanang naiwasan, pwedeng napaaga,
03:26.5
na both positive for Laila and for the government.
03:31.9
Pero maraming considerations doon.
03:34.6
Tingin ko yung unsaid, magagalit ba si Digong?
03:38.8
Lalo na in the past year, hindi pa naman ganun ka-full-blown yung away.
03:44.7
Ngayon, full-blown eh.
03:46.8
Kaya they're willing to bend backwards.
03:49.6
Hindi nila didiinan yung korte.
03:52.1
Hindi nila didiinan.
03:53.3
Hindi nila didiinan yung judge.
03:54.6
Unlike nung previous government.
03:57.9
And in a way, to make a long story short, nakapag-bail si Laila.
04:03.6
Pero using the merits of the case, dapat earlier pa yan eh.
04:08.4
Diba? Dapat earlier pa yan.
04:10.5
Hindi naman nagmamakaawa si Laila eh.
04:13.7
Hindi naman siya nagmamalimus eh.
04:15.2
Hindi naman siya humihingi ng humanitarian help eh.
04:18.9
Sinasabi lang niya, this is my case.
04:20.5
It could have been done earlier.
04:23.3
Pero ngayon, even if it's late, pwedeng namiti niya ni Bongbong.
04:28.2
Sa kanyang rebranding, sa kanyang reinvention of their Marcos name.
04:35.0
Dahil makakatulong yan, makakadagdag sa kanyang image around the world.
04:40.5
At kung ganda lang image niya, yung pinag-uusapan natin earlier about commitments, investments,
04:47.1
in this unique country, in this region,
04:50.8
ay baka mas makakita tayo.
04:55.2
Pwedeng mangyari yan.
04:57.5
Isang magandang element, yung nangyari kay Laila.
05:00.6
Dahil three to four resolutions na nalabas ng European Parliament.
05:04.6
Two resolutions ng U.S. Congress.
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One resolution ng U.S. Senate.
05:09.5
Two resolutions ng Inter-Parliamentary Union.
05:12.5
Et cetera, et cetera.
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Yun lang naman sinasabi ko.
05:16.6
It could have been done earlier.
05:18.9
So, essential argument, this was a relatively low-hanging fruit,
05:23.4
Move with relatively minimal also cost for BBM.
05:27.1
Now, of course, we discussed also the ICC option.
05:29.4
But one of the issues we haven't discussed is yung case ni Walden Belio, right?
05:33.5
Because in a way, it has a family resemblance to the Delima case, right?
05:39.9
Because at least the position of the Walden camp is being politically persecuted
05:45.2
for taking a very strong stance against yung pangalawang pangulo ng bansa.
05:49.7
Because the person who's on the other side of this case is the chief communication,
05:53.3
person of the current vice president.
05:56.2
And of course, this is also raising a bigger question about weaponization of cyber libel, no?
06:02.1
And so, what is your read on the Walden Belio?
06:05.1
Do you think that Walden Belio can come or Leila Delima perhaps can express solidarity?
06:11.1
Because her case is not an isolated case, right?
06:14.1
It looks like marami na carryover ng mga ganitong legal cases from the past.
06:19.5
First of all, no?
06:21.1
First of all, our libel law.
06:23.3
Our laws are patterned after the US, no?
06:26.4
And very clearly, isang essence ng libel is the presence of malice.
06:31.4
Mahirap patunayan ang malice dahil nasa loob ng utak mo yan, no?
06:35.9
Unless merong narinig ka sa isang tape recording or video na talagang sinasabi mo,
06:41.6
eh, talagang gusto ko lang wa sakin ito, no?
06:44.4
So, based on that term of reference, no?
06:47.1
Ay dapat malakas yung kaso in favor of Walden.
06:54.4
Yun yung at unless talagang pe-pressure rin mo yung mga judges,
06:59.3
pe-pressure rin mo yung mga witnesses, no?
07:02.2
Katulad ng ginawa kay Leila Delima, yun yung similarity, no?
07:05.8
Pero kung ito yung normal judicial procedures natin, medyo mahirap manalo yung libel.
07:13.3
Pero yun nga, di ba, Ronald?
07:14.8
I get your point.
07:17.1
My thing is, in the Philippines, even if mahina yung kabila,
07:20.3
sa sobrang bagal ng takbo ng hustisya,
07:23.3
you're a year stressed out and financially drained.
07:28.9
Lalo na, lalo na yung kaso ay nasa dabaw, no?
07:35.1
Ibig sabihin, yung kaharihan ng mga Duterte.
07:38.7
Tapos pupunta ka ron, eh baka mamaya paglabas mo ng korte,
07:41.5
madulas ka sa balat ng saging, di ba?
07:45.7
It's a dangerous place for critics of the Duterte, no?
07:49.7
At hindi na natin kailangan ipaliwanag bakit.
07:54.4
So, ang unang dapat gawin ni Walder, ipalipat sa Manila,
07:58.5
sa korte sa Manila, yung kaso.
08:02.2
Or take it to the Supreme Court even, and question the whole cyber libel case.
08:05.8
Yes, pero hindi ka pwedeng mag-forum hopping, eh.
08:09.5
So, usually, kailangan dumas ka kung nasaan siya nandun.
08:13.1
So, yun yung, pero mga abogado na ni Kwanian.
08:16.0
Ako, hindi ako abogado, eh.
08:18.4
I'm gonna interview, actually, you know, people in his team soon.
08:22.0
And also, Laila Dalimas.
08:23.3
Don't have to go there.
08:24.3
But in terms of political environment, because we know, you know,
08:27.1
our judicial system doesn't operate in a complete vacuum.
08:30.0
Do you think the political bamboo is swinging?
08:35.2
I think, kaya may mas favorable kay Walder, no?
08:38.5
Dahil the Dutertes are not as strong as a few months before.
08:43.4
So, yan yung point.
08:44.1
Pero, alam mo naman si Walden Boy, eh, matindi rin yung banat niya sa gobyerno.
08:53.3
Neither nor siya, eh.
08:56.4
Neither Duterte nor Marcos.
08:58.3
So, hindi ko naman sinasabi na bawasan niya yung kanyang criticism.
09:02.1
Sinasabi ko lang, things as they are, no?
09:05.6
Hindi niya pwede, baka hindi niya magamit yung weakening ng Duterte sa ating judicial system.
09:12.9
Kung babalatan niya in the same sharpest line, yung gobyerno na indirectly,
09:20.7
sabi mo nga, we don't live in a vacuum.
09:22.6
Pwede nga mag-exert some pressure or supports.
09:24.9
But, Ronald, what if it's not about Walden as irritable as he may be to the powers that be?
09:31.1
But, it's more like hitting the other side, right?
09:33.7
Like, you know what I'm saying, right?
09:35.1
Maybe in that cynical way.
09:36.8
I mean, there could be that potential angle, no?
09:40.1
Now, Ronald, the thing is, siguro, one of the things I noticed, and correct me if I'm wrong,
09:48.4
kulang tayo sa culture of solidaridad, no?
09:50.7
I mean, I remember when I was with...
09:52.6
Kayla, I said a few years ago, maganda sana na mag-join press conference sila.
09:56.7
Of course, siya over line, online, Zoom, whatever, or video, whatever,
10:00.6
with Lenny, and all, Sereno, and Maria Delsa, and all of that.
10:05.9
And for some reason, that thing never happened.
10:08.5
We never saw these women in the same fora, standing together, kind of.
10:13.2
Wala eh, parang kanya-kanya ng discarten, nangyari.
10:15.7
Di ba, yung isa, all around the world, holding the line, yung mantra, yung isa.
10:21.2
But, I was thinking, sana.
10:22.6
Like, Lela Delima could become the kind of a pivot of more of a culture of solidarity.
10:28.3
Kasi kaya nga, I'm pushing for RRL, RRC, RRM.
10:33.1
Like, this for me, part of...
10:34.8
Hindi tayo magkakumpit dito for audience.
10:36.9
We can work together and push for public education and knowledge.
10:40.7
You and I working is a form of solidarity.
10:43.5
Sabi nga ni Lelo, terapi nga sa kanya yung mga conversation natin.
10:47.2
So, I'm just hoping that this Delima and Walden and all that
10:50.8
could be a kind of a microcosm.
10:52.6
Or mitochondria for more of a culture of solidarity,
10:56.0
which is close to our heart as progressives.
10:58.1
But it doesn't seem to be a liberal Filipino culture, right?
11:01.7
Pag mga liberal sa Philippines, I don't know.
11:04.6
For some, I didn't see as much.
11:06.3
Or maybe I'm just wrong. Sorry.
11:07.9
Kapa full of empty, no?
11:09.8
Nung six years ni Digong, ang hirap.
11:12.1
Dahil lahat dinemonize eh.
11:14.9
Di ba? Lahat dinemonize eh.
11:16.3
But isn't that precisely why you should come together?
11:18.4
Or you're saying ayaw nila ma-package?
11:21.2
Di ba? Limawa, si Pinoy, nung buhay pa,
11:25.3
ayoko naman parang ako eh isang bitter ex-president
11:28.9
na sasabihang kagad yung presidente, no?
11:33.0
At babalatang kagad siya.
11:34.5
So, nagbigay siya ng konting space
11:36.2
bago siya nagsimulang mag-criticize.
11:38.3
Di ba? Yan ang ginawa niya.
11:39.6
Si Lenny naman, naging bahagi ng cabinet.
11:44.0
Di ba? Naging bahagi siya ng cabinet for a while eh.
11:46.9
Di ba? Eventually, ay na-realize nila Digong yung kanilang mistake.
11:51.2
Tinanggal din siya with extreme prejudice.
11:53.7
Si Sereno, pakita naman natin, natanggal.
11:58.1
Di ba? As a chief justice, no?
12:02.5
Using this co-warrant or something, no?
12:06.8
At in between, ang daming patay.
12:09.7
There were thousands of deaths.
12:11.3
So, yung iba ay nag-worry, baka mangyari sa kanila yan, no?
12:17.6
Yung sinasabi mo, halimbawa, na nagbiyakay,
12:21.2
dahil ang marami, etc.
12:22.5
Nangyari after the election, after Digong.
12:25.3
Pero during Digong, walang coordination eh.
12:28.7
Di ba? Tattered, fragmented yung opposition.
12:32.7
Nakita mo naman yung 8 Diretso in 2019, no?
12:35.7
First time in the history of the country
12:37.7
na not a single opposition ay nanalo.
12:40.6
So, makikita mo yung pan eh.
12:42.3
Hindi lamang yung offensive ng gobyerno,
12:45.2
yung demonization, yung fear, sowing of fear.
12:48.0
Nakita mo rin yung epekto nito sa opposition.
12:52.0
They were practically decimated.
12:54.5
They were practically marginalized.
12:58.4
Kaya, hindi ko sinasabi this is an excuse.
13:01.4
Dahil some of us continue fighting in spite of that.
13:04.8
Di ba? Yan yung nangyari.
13:06.1
Pero, sinasabi ko, iba ngayon.
13:08.3
Whether you like it or not, there's more space.
13:12.8
There's more freedom of the media.
13:16.3
Kaya nga, ang daming nagtsatsaga sa akin ngayon.
13:18.4
Dati, walang magtsatsaga sa akin noong panahulit Digong eh.
13:20.7
Nungayon, nagtsatsaga na, no?
13:22.5
From morning show to evening.
13:25.9
Evening, hey Darian, no?
13:28.3
Dami nangtsatsaga.
13:29.4
Pero, noong panahulit Digong,
13:30.8
baka magdalawang isip yung mga media.
13:34.1
Well, I can tell you a lot.
13:35.5
I was in the media.
13:36.3
It was so hard when I started bashing na Duterte.
13:39.8
I paid the price in terms of my career.
13:42.7
That's why I'm not, you know,
13:43.9
anchor or something like that.
13:44.9
Although, I didn't need it.
13:46.1
I mean, I had my own stick abroad.
13:48.0
Eh ako, nasama ako sa dalawang matrix.
13:50.7
Plotting to our...
13:51.7
Kaya nga, ba't ako hindi sinama?
13:53.4
At least, kasama ko si Jollibee.
13:57.9
Kasama ko si Heidi Lin.
14:01.3
Kasama ko si Gretchen Ho.
14:03.7
It's a stupid matrix.
14:07.9
Pero, ibig sabihin,
14:09.5
ganun yung pananakot, di ba?
14:11.1
Ganun yung pananakot nila.
14:12.4
Pero, nga, NPA daw.
14:14.2
And then, the yellow opposition.
14:16.5
And then, the military.
14:20.7
It's the government.
14:21.5
Tapos, nakasama pa ako ron.
14:23.1
As one of the major players.
14:25.5
So, walang lalapit sa akin ng media.
14:28.1
Walang lalapit sa akin ng pan.
14:29.4
Dahil, baka madamay sila eh.
14:34.5
under a Marcos presidency.
14:38.2
So, nangyayari ngayon yan.
14:40.0
So, ngayon, mas iba.
14:42.2
Kaya, yung sinasabi mo,
14:44.0
yun yung proposal ko.
14:45.6
A national Thanksgiving tour.
14:48.4
Ni Laila, ni Risa,
14:50.7
once in a while, kahit si Lenny.
15:00.5
Ano bang problema nyo?
15:02.7
Ano bang problema nyo?
15:04.1
Ano bang kailangan gawin?
15:05.5
Et cetera, et cetera.
15:07.1
Et cetera, et cetera.
15:08.2
So, in between...
15:09.9
I think town hall meeting ang tawag dyan.
15:13.0
And you build a machinery.
15:17.5
kami yung maglulu pa.
15:19.7
Kami yung maglulu pa.
15:20.7
So, after one or two years,
15:24.3
then you have the semblance
15:25.7
of a new opposition.
15:28.4
Or the semblance of a new movement.
15:30.8
Not necessarily opposition.
15:32.9
Which partly harms
15:38.2
recruiting new energies
15:41.5
from those discontented.
15:44.3
Discontented with the unity.
15:47.3
So, yan yung mga possibilities.
15:49.4
Hindi ko sa'yo sabihin na yun.
15:50.7
Ano na mangyayari ha?
15:51.5
Dahil I'm just a beat player.
15:53.8
We're just looking at scenarios here.
15:57.0
I was just thinking about it
15:60.0
and you mentioned it.
16:00.7
Speaking of unity and unity, no?
16:03.3
So, remember what I said.
16:04.9
Like, I know people are taking out their popcorns,
16:07.6
but at the end of the day,
16:08.5
BBM doesn't want a complete break with Duterte
16:10.5
because, you know,
16:11.3
it's still within his interest
16:12.4
to keep things on an even keel to a certain degree.
16:15.0
So, recently, si President Marcos Jr.
16:17.8
pagbalik niya from America,
16:18.9
na he doesn't want
16:19.9
mag-process itong impeachment
16:21.7
complaint laban kay Sarah Duterte.
16:24.3
Is that a white flag?
16:25.5
Or is that a damage control?
16:26.8
Or is that a deceptive front?
16:29.1
What's going on here?
16:30.3
Well, we can take it at face value.
16:32.6
Na yung sinasabi nila ay totoo.
16:35.0
Ang problema lang, Richard,
16:36.7
ang hirap siya i-take at face value
16:38.4
knowing what happened
16:46.0
Confidential Intelligence Fund,
16:56.7
we can take it at face value,
16:58.6
pero medyo mahirap
17:00.0
because of what happened
17:07.0
wala naman nag-announce
17:08.0
ng impeachment eh.
17:09.6
If you plan to impeach somebody,
17:11.8
you never announce it.
17:13.0
You surprise the target.
17:15.6
Parang nangyari kay ARAP.
17:17.6
Yung in-appoint niya na speaker,
17:22.1
eh biglang bumaliktad,
17:24.4
At nakita na lang niya,
17:25.5
ini-impeach siya.
17:29.6
kung magkakaroon ng impeachment,
17:32.4
di ko sinasabi magkakaroon,
17:33.8
it will be a surprise.
17:35.7
It will be a surprise.
17:38.3
hindi ganung kadali
17:39.7
kay Vice President Sara
17:42.1
iba yung bilang sa Senate.
17:44.3
Kaya kailangan mo ng
17:47.3
Yeah, you're right.
17:48.3
That's a good point.
17:50.9
some are setting the template.
17:53.2
Some are setting the predicate
17:54.9
which can be used
17:56.0
for an impeachment.
17:59.2
in the Supreme Court.
18:04.1
Sa Supreme Court.
18:05.4
hindi ko sinasabi na yan
18:07.4
ay directly related.
18:09.8
Wala ko sinasabing ganun.
18:11.0
Parang ito yung wala nga talaga
18:12.9
I'm sure sila Barry,
18:14.5
sila Shelo Magno,
18:16.6
Christian Monzod,
18:17.7
walang kinalaman niya
18:20.2
whether this is unrelated,
18:23.2
others can use that
18:25.0
as a basis for impeachment.
18:29.8
na hindi kasama tayo,
18:32.0
pwedeng sabihin na,
18:32.9
oh, may datid lines yan.
18:34.2
May datid lines yan
18:35.5
papuntang impeachment.
18:37.2
Katulad ng sinasabi ni
18:39.3
Congresswoman Castro,
18:41.9
na hindi ko sinasabing
18:44.3
Katulad ng sinasabing
18:46.5
Maraming nag-uusap-usap,
18:49.2
about impeachment.
18:52.4
medyo nakakatawa lang
19:03.8
until it happened.
19:12.3
Ay, meron pa pala.
19:13.3
Nagsasabi pala sila na,
19:21.0
wala namang palang problema, eh.
19:23.6
Malulugi yung mga shows
19:27.0
Wala namang pala, eh.
19:28.3
na marapas natin.
19:29.5
Wala namang pala, eh.
19:30.4
Wala namang pala.
19:32.5
yan yung nakakatawa
19:34.6
speaking of wala namang pala,
19:36.1
PDP Laban of Digong
19:38.5
even more members,
19:40.2
base sa latest report,
19:42.5
yung PDP Laban of Duterte
19:43.7
has lost more congressmen
19:46.2
Romualde Ceslakas
19:49.4
from Speaker's Office
19:56.8
from Camarinas Norte,
20:00.4
from Agusan del Norte,
20:12.2
it looks like a sinking
20:14.4
And if you're in the
20:16.3
better strike now
20:21.0
is that a possibility
20:22.4
that they might try to
20:32.1
pag-hemorrhage nila.
20:34.3
Rats jumping ship.
20:35.7
Hindi ko sinasabi
20:40.1
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:47.3
wala ko sinasabing
20:48.5
Carrying diseases.
20:49.4
Wala ko sinasabi.
20:50.1
Carrying diseases,
20:51.2
jumping to a new party,
20:52.3
bringing the diseases
20:53.9
So, wala ko sinasabing
21:00.8
because the possibility
21:12.8
They have to move fast.
21:15.1
Dahil pag nandun na sila
21:18.1
hindi sila makakakaano.
21:19.1
Hindi sila makakakaano.
21:19.4
Hindi sila makakakilo.
21:20.8
Unless mag-migrate
21:25.0
Assuming tatanggapin pa sila
21:26.7
So, let's end on this note.
21:28.0
Thank you so much.
21:29.1
Katulad ng sinabi ko
21:29.9
a few months earlier,
21:39.1
tweening, tweening.
21:42.1
pa rin na mag-creative
21:45.3
Nakita mo ba, Johan?
21:46.6
Nakita mo yung video?
21:50.7
papadala ko sa iyo.
21:51.4
Nakita mo yung video
21:52.2
nung pagdating ni BBM,
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cabinet secretary,
22:00.2
Vice President Sara
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at si Speaker Martin.
22:07.1
Kinamayan nila lahat.
22:08.3
On the picture, yeah.
22:09.2
Except each other,
22:13.1
walang ibig sabihin niya.
22:14.1
Katulad nga na sabihin.
22:14.9
Wala namang palang away,
22:16.1
wala namang palang palay,
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Yung isang R lang,
22:25.0
hindi yung isang R.
22:29.2
thank you so much,
22:30.3
Secretary Llamas.
22:31.1
Papahinga na kita.
22:33.5
Let's try to catch up
22:36.9
Para hindi meantime,
22:39.5
Thank you so much,
22:40.1
Secretary Llamas.
22:41.4
pagkasabi mo rin si Cristiano,
22:42.7
para yung Cristiano Ronaldo
22:45.1
full blast na tayo.
22:47.4
Thank you so much.
22:48.2
Ay, hahalis na ako.
22:49.4
Kayong dalawa na lang.
22:51.6
Hindi na ako makakapagsalita niya
22:52.9
pagkakanta ko yung dalawa.
22:55.6
ang ganoon natin.
22:56.9
Si Cristiano yung host.
23:00.7
si Cristiano na host.
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makulit lang tayo dyan.
23:04.0
Thank you so much,
23:05.4
Talk to you soon.
